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skeitel
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:07 pm
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| Hypnotherapy tip for depression treatment: listen to radio |
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I just had a flash of insight. I don't have much time to post a detailed explanation.
As you know I do hypnotherapy and been thinking a lot in the treatment of depression with hypnotherapy and Cognitive Behaviour Therapy. The insight -maybe you knew it, apologies, I didn't- is that I will start recommending all my depressed clients, particularly those depressed from break ups, to listen to the radio as much as possible.
The reasons are (my theory)
1) It distracts their conscious mind, leaving less time to idly think about their problems.
2) Sad songs are good because they make them cry (I adhere to the model that emotions repressed inside are bad, outside are good, and the mourning process has an "end" that can be reached sooner the sooner we can reach the full depth of our pain)
3) Good old songs make them remember good times in their lives and give them perspective, reminding them that they had other partners before and helping them make the assumption that "maybe, just maybe" they may have others in the future. They also remind them of plain old good times WITHOUT a partner.
4) Good songs -I listen to a lot of dance music when I am down or after a breakup- make them dance, which is a very positive kinhestetic activity, deeply associated with joy in our psyche. It is hard to feel down when you are dancing for pleasure.
Maybe all this is obvious to you, but it was not to me and I wanted to share in case the hypnotherapy guys among you (or anyone depressed) find it useful. I have not seen this mentioned in any book either.
I had the impression that music helped me somehow, but it took me a long time to realize that this intuition was correct and to analyse the reasons why.
I think that music, particularly random music as played in the radio, can well work as a "mental massager" making us experience a wide range of feelings that are eventually positive and help healing wihouth any serious side effects. (of course I would not recommend anyone to listen to an "old romantic hits" radio station) |
enrich
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:39 am
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How about some Eminem?  |
kevsheldrake
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:12 am
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Some people ruminate while listening to the radio; some depressed people wouldn't dance to save their lives.
I would apply the human givens model over the idea of telling them to listen to the radio.
Kev |
jargan
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:04 pm
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I know that radio has sometimes annoyed me quite a lot even when I wasn't depressed. I also know that I have, on occasion, dragged myself into more pointless feeling bad by listening to gloomy music.
Not that I'm saying it's bad to listen to radio; on the contrary, I can imagine many cases in which it could improve someone's mood. On the other hand it can backfire quite spectacularly, e.g. if a depressed person uses cheerful music to imagine how they used to have that but now they "know" it was all fake and it's long past anyway etc. etc. This might be particularly true for someone who just got dumped and now hears a love song somewhere. I think this is one of the key mechanisms of sustaining depression (or other bad feelings): interpreting everything you experience as validation of the depression.
The point, I guess, is that I don't agree that bad feelings, as a general rule, releases repressed emotions. There are many ways of feeling bad that are completely unproductive if you cling to them to the point that you get depressed, e.g. guilt. If someone feeds their guilt with a song they listen to, I highly doubt things get better.
I don't resolutely disagree that it's good to get certain emotions "out of the system", but I'm not sure if it's necessary to move on. My personal philosophy involves always looking for the quickest and easiest solution; there might not be one that's better than what I already know, but I'll look for it anyway, and letting "long-buried emotions" out isn't generally one. I might still do something I consider suboptimal, though, if I can't find any other approach, hence no complete disagreement. |
skeitel
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:02 pm
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Enrich: as cruel as usual 
Kev: I have not had time to get familiar with Human Givens, so I cannot comment. But I would venture to say that I don't see things as "this against that" but rather, what works? why? what part of this works and what part does not? And then use that, wherever it comes from and what is called.
Jargan: I would like to know your opinion about the book "The secret language of feelings".
On other things, obviously there may be certain songs that may trigger some sort of "undesired" emotions. But again...sometimes we concentrate too much in why things may not work instead of seeing that they may well do, even if not fully or all of the time. The radio listening is part of the therapy, not the therapy itself, so even if they hear something that makes them feel "worse", we can turn that back in therapy, and the rest of what they hear would help to cheer them up.
The kind of radio station that I have in mind rarely plays sad, slow or music that is "too deep". You can listen to it here
http://www.atomicfm.fr/player.html |
skeitel
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:13 pm
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Forgot to add: if the radio station is foreign, playing in a language the client does not understand but enjoys, even better. |
PADDY O'GELLAR
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:20 pm
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wasn't there a story on TV recently that recounted a song from Hungery (i Think) that was banned because it caused so many people to commit suicide. It was called the Hungarian Suicide Song. While I love the radio, perhaps a diet of such depressing music wouldnt/couldnt always be recommended. |
PADDY O'GELLAR
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:21 pm
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wasn't there a story on TV recently that recounted a song from Hungery (i Think) that was banned because it caused so many people to commit suicide. It was called the Hungarian Suicide Song. While I love the radio, perhaps a diet of such depressing music wouldnt/couldnt always be recommended. |
kevsheldrake
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:59 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by skeitel
Kev: I have not had time to get familiar with Human Givens, so I cannot comment. But I would venture to say that I don't see things as "this against that" but rather, what works? why? what part of this works and what part does not? And then use that, wherever it comes from and what is called.
http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/Depression.htm
If you're interested in depression then I think you should certainly read their main book, Human Givens.
Kev |
skeitel
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:24 am
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quote:
Originally posted by PADDY O'GELLAR
wasn't there a story on TV recently that recounted a song from Hungery (i Think) that was banned because it caused so many people to commit suicide. It was called the Hungarian Suicide Song. While I love the radio, perhaps a diet of such depressing music wouldnt/couldnt always be recommended.
Yes, the song is famous. I precisely read about it a few days ago. It seems that hungarians do not need songs anyway...
http://www.phespirit.info/gloomysunday/article_02.htm
Kev: thanks, HG is on my reading list. I'll get to it sometime! |
Anthony Jacquin
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:38 pm
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Originally posted by Wildcard
I actually had a discussion at the uni because one woman had to do a presentation and she started to mention phobia and claimed that we are more prone to get a spider or snake phobia than any other, because those were things we feared alot in the past. She basically claimed the "fight or flight" response is selective.
So I had to break it down to her in Human Givens terms that it isnt selective,
Interesting. I think you have flagged up another urban myth that has entered therapy. The idea we are 'hard wired' with certain fears because they were a danger in our geneological history is a common one. You are saying it has no substance?
Anthony |
jargan
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:45 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by skeitel
Depression is a growing and very interesting market to be in.
If you pull that out of context it sounds extremely cynical.
That was my random observation for the day. ;) |
skeitel
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:24 am
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quote:
Originally posted by jargan
quote:
Originally posted by skeitel
Depression is a growing and very interesting market to be in.
If you pull that out of context it sounds extremely cynical.
That was my random observation for the day.
I am in the *business* of helping people. The more money I make, the more people I can help by, for example, giving discounts to students or giving time for free to charities.
I have less clients than I could because I refuse to lose sight of the bottom line and give my services for free to those who can pay for them.
If you don't respect the value of your work, nobody will.
Moreover, if making business decisions based in projected market growth is cynical, then so be it.
The nature of business and capitalism is itself cynical if you look at it that way.
Wildcard/Anthony: I think that fears, like instincts, are passed on through generations at a biological level. There is still a lot to prove in this area, but I would not be surprised if it is confirmed. The idea that we are "genetically programmed" to avoid certain dangers makes sense to me. |
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