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ellla
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:06 am
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Originally posted by jan^^
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Originally posted by jan^^
Do intelligent people in this day&age really believe that personality is in any way shaped (let alone significantly shaped!) by what positions the planets and stars happened to be in at the moment you popped out of your mother's vagina?      
Intelligent people in this day and age - Hmm I guess what you are trying to say is that before Hellenism or during the periods when the great Dynasties of ancient African-Egypt, Greece, Japan, China, & of course India. where in the making, and relying heavily on Astronomical detail & of course Astrology - to both evolve and create ..that they were imbecile?
Well of course each person pertaining to their level of intelligence is entitled to their opinion. So yes I grant you this thought
But speaking of this modern age might you may now be surprised to learn. Astrology still plays a significant role in the lives of Nations who by all accounts are among the most - if not THE most Successful and Industrious ..on this planet.
These Nations are of course Asians ..namely Chinese, Japanese, & Indian.
Very often these Nationalities be it Business Man or Housewife do not take anything seriously without making use of Astronomy and Astrology ... and if we honest it appears to work. they certainly have us in the West 'Intelligent Souls' that we are eating out of palms their hands ..literally.
Lol... if you are ignorant enough to believe that the recent rise in the industrial strength of those economies is down to the use of astrology then you really are cerebrally deficient sorry to say. As you are such an expert then I know you are aware that the astrologies of the West, India and China are different systems anyway. So you can know that at least two of them are wrong for a start
I did not say that they singularly relied on Astrology. How would any one even think such a thought? Its clear by demonstration that these nations are Diligent. As well as clever. once again you mention the recent times -
I began my post by going back to the beginning of recorded time and the impact of Astronomy & Astrology in the building of Ancient Civilisations as we know .
I am not asking you to believe in a system that you do not understand. I am simply pointing out that some people do. And good for them if it works. Lol
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Facts are that scientific analysis shows that astrology has no predictive power, and no plausible mechanism for any such claimed effects upon personality.
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jan^^
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:24 am
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Yeh but IT doesnt work, that's the point [slaps forehead]. It doesn't predict personality attributes and it doesn't predict future events. It doesn't predict these things because it is not real! The position of the stars and planets when you pop out your mother's vagina don't really have any influence over how you personality develops. Genetics does. Your diet does. Bangs to your noggin do. Your social learning environment does. Where jupiter was when you popped out doesn't. It's really that simple.
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ellla
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:36 am
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Originally posted by jan^^
Yeh but IT doesnt work, that's the point [slaps forehead]. It doesn't predict personality attributes and it doesn't predict future events. It doesn't predict these things because it is not real! The position of the stars and planets when you pop out your mother's vagina don't really have any influence over how you personality develops. Genetics does. Your diet does. Bangs to your noggin do. Your social learning environment does. Where jupiter was when you popped out doesn't. It's really that simple.
Do your own research, you have a computer.
Again! you are offering your opinion ..nothing 'wrong' with you having an opinion. I respect this. But your opinion is not necessary or wholly mine ..and it doesn't have to be. This is the point I am trying to make (sigh)
And No I will not search for your "facts and scientific data"-
You came here claiming it exists ..that it as been proven . At the very least and out of courteously to any one who would consider taking you seriously you should prove that what you are claiming is true.
Else wise your argument - what you have been saying has no basis .. it is merely an opinion as I said all along ..and Nothing Else! |
ellla
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:21 am
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Originally posted by jan^^
Yeh that doesnt surprise me. You are not interested in what science has to say. I get that. You maintain your denial that way. That's up to you.
I made my original comment, yes it's my opinion, supported by science (if you take a look), there is no problem with me saying my opinion (so you say), so there is no problem here... so why the **** are you harping on?
If you want to be unintelligent about it and remain in denial then sure that is up to you, I was not trying to convince anyone of anything. And I am certainly not arsed to start that now either. The internet is there if you want to find out the facts. You don't need me to hold your hand while you do that do you?
Jan^^
I have looked and can find 'Nothing' of significance to support your statement that there are "facts & scientific evidence" which disprove the validity of Astrology.
Of course I came across a few comical superficial sites which back what you are saying. But nothing else.
However while I were perusing I came across this an article by a researcher of astrology and thought you may want to take a look as it contains many many quotes from
learned Psychologists, Scientists, and Scholars, Mathematicians to mention but a few - Persons of our day and age ..as well as before.
persons who have studied and opined on Astrology. while you may consider these people of low intelligence I think its still worth taking a look at what they say. and just how by study they arrive at their conclusions - Not wishing for you to search I have pasted the article for below..
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The Scientific Evidence Suggestive of Astrology
by Kevin Williams
"The stars incline; they do not compel." - an astrological tenet
"Astrology represents the summation of all the psychological knowledge of antiquity." Carl G. Jung, founder of analytical psychology
"The controls of life are structured as forms and nuclear arrangements, in a relation with the motions of the universe." Louis Pasteur, the pioneer of vaccination and pasteurization
"I do not believe in astrology; but then, people of my sign never do." Dr. Charles Tart, psychologist
"It's common knowledge that a large percentage of Wall Street brokers use astrology." - Donald Regan, chief of staff to former President Ronald Reagan
"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25
Astrology is defined in the Chambers Dictionary as:
"...the study of the movements of the stars and planets and their influence on people's lives".
Although astrology is viewed as a crank belief by many people (who usually have no understanding of it at all) there is no doubt that the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system have an effect on the human body and the planet Earth. Although many serious astrologers dismiss as "nonsense" the popular sun sign astrology" which is responsible for the plethora of daily horoscope columns, zodiac sign personality profiles, and the annual tabloid predictions given by astrologers each year, many people ignorantly equate the entire science of astrology with these dubious things.
A major principle in astrology is the idea represented by the saying, "As above, so below" or "That which is above is the same as that which is below." In quantum physics terminology, it means that what applies to the very large (the solar system) applies to the very small (the atom). The same laws apply to both. In mathematical terms, human beings are like a "fractal" of the universe, each cell in our body is like a "fractal" (DNA) of our entire body, the atom is like a fractal of each cell, and so on, ad infinitum. The ancients believed the study of the stars is a study of the inner workings of the human mind. This does not seem like such an odd idea when you consider that everything - including our minds - evolved from the stars from the Big Bang. Astrology is simply a system of thought concerning the connections between external reality and internal reality.
Everyday we rise with the sun when our bodies release hormones that awaken us in the morning. In the summer, when the sun appears in the sky longer, our endocrine glands release more hormones which bring us a sense of well-being. By late afternoon we become more relaxed as the sun's strength wanes. Lunar cycles also have an effect on the Earth and human beings. The tidal flow of the world's oceans corresponds to the waxing and waning of the moon, as does the menstrual cycle. The mental disorder called Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) is the result of the long nights and weeks during winter when the sun does not appear in the sky as long. However, on the equator, where the sun is stronger and appears for longer periods, SAD does not exist. The American Institute of Medical Climatology did a study for the Philadelphia Police Department and the results were documented in a report entitled The Effect of the Full Moon on Human Behavior. The report provided evidence that the full moon marks a monthly peak in various kinds of psychotically oriented crimes such as murder, arson, dangerous driving, and kleptomania. Psychologist Arnold Lieber at the University of Miami collected data on homicide in Miami's Dade County over a period of 15 years involving 1,887 murders. When they matched the incidence of homicide with the phases of the moon, they found, much to their surprise, that the two rose and fell together, almost infallibly, for the entire 15 years. As the full or the new moon approached, the murder rate rose sharply; it distinctly declined during the first and last quarters of the moon. The study was replicated using murder statistics from Cuyahoga County in Ohio (Cleveland). Again, the statistics revealed that more murders do indeed occur at the full and new moons.
The monthly lunar cycle can be in choosing the timing and gender of babies. The Southern California Methodist Hospital discovered that more babies are conceived on the waxing moon than on the waning. Out of 11,025 births over a period of six years, nearly 1,000 more children were conceived during the waxing moon which is statistically significant. It appears that successful conception is easier at that time of the waxing moon. In another study, German researcher W. Buehler analyzed 33,000 births and discovered that there was a significant preponderance of male births during the waxing moon. This knowledge, combined with medical techniques known to affect fertility and sex, can help people in planning for their children.
As you will see later in this article, many scientific studies have validated astrological principles.
Carl Jung's astrology study
Carl Jung, the world-renowned psychologist and founder of analytical psychology, believed that when people are born, or when anything at all occurs, the influence of the planets are exerted on them. Jung believed astrology to be an archetypal system that works through synchronicity, a term coined by Jung. Synchronicity is the belief that everything in the universe is interrelated which explains phenomena such as meaningful coincidences and astrology. In 1944, Jung had a heart attack which resulted in a near-death experience. His vivid encounter with the light, plus the intensely meaningful insights he received, helped Jung develop his ideas on the archetypes of the collective unconscious and how it relates to concepts found in astrology. Jung's experiences and knowledge led him to create the field of analytical psychology. Jung did an analysis of astrology to determine its place in synchronicity. He studied 483 married couples and noted the astrological connections between the birth dates of married couples. These findings concluded that long lasting relationships had a certain astrological pattern which were found to be three times higher than the rate of coincidence. Also astounding was the fact that the couples whom astrologers would interpret as being the most conducive to marriage were the couples whose astrological pattern occurred most frequently. The pattern that astrologers interpret as least conducive to marriage occurred least often among the couples. Jung calculated the odds of the this result occurring randomly is 1 in 62,500,000. Jung believed incidents like these are the result of synchronicity.
Scientific evidence validating astrology
The following are some of the scientific discoveries that have validated astrological concepts:
(1) Serial killers can be identified through a person's astrological birth chart.
(2) There is a correlation between a person's chosen profession and their astrological birth chart.
(3) Mental illness can be predicted by astrology.
(4) Fetuses might be affected by the movement of the sun, moon, and planets as they interfere with the Earth's magnetic field which may have an influence on the fetuses occupation later in life.
(5) Women can use the lunar cycle for purposes of contraception.
(6) Many terrestrial phenomena are influenced by electromagnetic and gravitational effects originating within the solar system.
(7) Sun spot activity affects the molecular structure of water.
( Sun spot activity affects the molecular structure of blood.
(9) Potatoes, rats, fiddler crabs, and oysters are all governed by lunar periods.
(10) A theoretical model using principles of mathematics and physics may account for human consciousness and process as it relates to the zodiac.
(11) The concept of karma was demonstrated to be a reality in a study which confirmed that acting selflessly has rewards.
(1) Serial killers can be identified through a person's astrological birth chart.
A recent episode of the television program, Unsolved Mysteries, profiled a segment concerning an experiment in astrology. The producers of the show had twenty astrological birth charts from people at random. Included with the twenty astrological charts, the producers put the astrological charts of four serial killers: Jeffrey Dahmer, David Son of Sam Berkowitz, David the Night Stalker Ramirez, and Ed Kemper. These astrological charts were given to Carolyn Reynolds, a well-known astrologer, to see if she can glean any information from them. Without knowing the identity of the people whose charts she was analyzing, Carolyn Reynolds successfully identified the four people as possible serial killers. She was also able to give other specific information about these serial killers that proved correct. She was able to do all this just by analyzing their astrological birth chart.
A similar experiment was done by other people with a different set of people and a different group of serial killers. The astrologer who evaluated their birth charts without knowing who they were, was Edna Rowland, another professional astrologer. They came up with similar results and published their findings in a book entitled, Destined for Murder: Profiles of Six Serial Killers With Astrological Commentary.
See also Frequencies of Various Aspects in the Horoscopes of Murderers and Serial Killers vs. Those of Randomly Generated Control Groups | Supporting data | Home page |
(2) There is a correlation between a person's chosen profession and their astrological birth chart.
Michel Gauquelin, a French psychologist and statistician, was highly skeptical of the validity of astrology. In his book, "Written in the Stars" he outlines the research he conducted to find out if there was a correlation between a person's chosen profession and their natal chart. Gauquelin's findings placed astrology firmly on the doorstep of science. His findings revealed that the position of the stars had some indication as to what line of work a person may enter in life. The psychologist Hans Eysenck once said, "How ever much it may go against the grain, I think we must admit that there is something here that requires explanation." His results, however, only seemed to work within the members of the higher professionals, the same response not being achievable with unskilled workers.
Gauquelin found that people of certain professions tend to have the same planets in these critical segments with a greater frequency than statistical average. Not only that, but he also found an effect which he titled the "theory of eminence" which holds that not only do people established in their chosen fields have a greater than statistical chance average of having those planets in these important fields. The more eminent a person is in their field, the greater the likelihood that those planets will be found in those critical segments. For example, doctors were found to have the planet of Saturn in these critical segments. If you take an average, general practice physician, the chances of he or she having Saturn in that critical position is much less than the chart of a highly prominent physician, one who is frequently published and renowned in their field. In other words, the more prominent you are in your field, the greater the chances you will have the corresponding planet in the critical field of the wheel.
Although scientists find Gauquilin's findings very disquieting, increasingly sophisticated analysis seems to confirm, rather than disconfirm, certain of the original results. For example, in a 1986 study, the German researcher, Suitbert Ertel, reported: "A reanalysis of Gauquelin professional data using alternative procedures of statistical treatment supports previous Gauquelin results. Frequency deviations from chance expectancy along the scale of planetary sectors differ markedly between professions." Read more about it at the William James Roots of Consciousness website.
(3) Mental illness can be predicted by astrology.
Psychiatrist Dr. Mitchell E. Gibson, M.D., did a study of more than 400 astrological birth charts and through the use of scientific statistical research models, discovered a new technique for predicting mental illness. He discovered that the average person's birth chart contains about three marker aspects of depression. The birth chart of someone with major depression contains an average of ten such markers. Even with no previous astrological experience, a person can spot the indicators for mental illness through the declinations and multiple planet aspects that form the basis of this pioneering work. All of the patients were diagnosed according to the DSM-IV, the gold standard of psychiatric diagnostic criteria. The diagnostic groups represented include major depression, anxiety, addictive disorder, schizophrenia, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. His study is documented in his book Signs Of Mental Illness: An Astrological & Psychiatric Breakthrough by Mitchell E. Gibson.
(4) Fetuses might be affected by the movement of the sun, moon, and planets as they interfere with the Earth's magnetic field which may have an influence on the fetuses occupation later in life.
In his latest book, The Scientific Proof of Astrology, Percy Seymour, the former Plymouth University, England, astronomy lecturer, and member of the Royal Astronomical Society, argues that the movement of the sun, moon and various planets undoubtedly hold an influence over us. The argument Seymour puts forward is that the movement of the Sun, moon and sundry planets from Jupiter to Mars, interfere with the Earth's magnetic field. In doing so, the unborn offspring of expectant mothers around the world are exposed to different magnetic fields that toy with the development of their budding brains. A study of the 1991-92 English football league suggested players were nearly twice as likely to be born between September and November than in the summer months. Fast bowlers, according to another study, were more likely to be born in the first half of the year. Read more about all this in the news article entitled "Written in the Stars."
(5) Women can use the lunar cycle for purposes of contraception.
In 1976, Berkeley health feminist Louise Lacey published a study in her book Lunaception: A Feminine Odyssey into Fertility and Contraception which suggests that women can use the lunar cycle for purposes of contraception (which she claimed was influenced by exposure to light).
(6) Many terrestrial phenomena are influenced by electromagnetic and gravitational effects originating within the solar system.
Geomagnetic disturbances are particularly correlated with solar storms discharging large clouds of ionic plasma. These solar eddies generally impinge upon the Earth's magnetosphere about two days after the solar flare causing polar lights, radio interference, and compression of the Earth's magnetic lines of flux. Fluctuations in solar storm activity follow a cycle averaging 11.2 years and varying from about nine to thirteen years in length. Scientists have correlated solar storm activity to rates of heart attacks, lung disease, eclampsias, and the activity of microbes. (see "Solar activity and frequency of lymphocytes during 1957 in Sochi, USSR" (After Pressman, p. 199)). Epidemics of diphtheria, typhus, cholera, and smallpox have also been correlated with solar activity. Much of this work was done between the two world wars by the Russian Scientist A. L. Tchijevsky. In a huge study he drew up lists of wars, epidemics, revolutions, and population movements from 500 BC to 1900 and plotted them against curves of solar activity. He found that 78 percent of these outbreaks correlated with peaks of solar activity. He also found an amazing assortment of correlating phenomena ranging from locust hordes in Russia to succession of liberal and conservative governments in England from 1830 to 1930. Sturgeon in the Caspian Sea reproduce and then die in masses following cycles of 11 and 33 years which occur during periods of many sunspots (solar storms). The great financial crisis of 1929 coincided with a peak in solar activity. Other research has shown correlations between solar activity and the number of road accidents and mining disasters reported. This may be due to delayed or inaccurate human reactions in conjunction with very violent solar activity.
(7) Sun spot activity affects the molecular structure of water.
An Italian chemist, Giorgio Piccardi, was asked to figure out why "activated" water dissolves the calcium deposits from a water boiler at certain times and not at others. (Activated water is a vestige of alchemy. A sealed phial containing neon and mercury is moved around in the water until the neon lights up; there is no chemical change in the water; however the structure of the molecular bonds are altered somewhat.) After years of patient research measuring the rate at which bismuth sulfide becomes a colloid in activated and normal water, Piccardi showed that this colloid-forming rate varies with sunspot activity. A colloid solution is one in which the dissolved particles have large enough molecular weight so that the surface tension of each molecule is of importance in determining the behavior of the solution. Common colloids are glue, gelatin, milk, egg white and blood. (The word colloid is derived from the Greek word kolla, meaning glue.) In general colloidal particles are too big to pass through membranes which will pass smaller dissolved molecules. The influence solar activity exerts upon the molecular structure of water is likely to be even more acute in human organisms as the human body temperature is fixed near the limit where changes in the structure of water normally occur.
( Sun spot activity affects the molecular structure of blood.
Research by Dr. M. Takata in Japan, since verified in Germany and the Soviet Union, indicates that blood samples showing flocculation (a cloud-like formation) as well as the leukocyte (white blood cell) content of the blood varies in accordance with solar storm activity. This widespread solar influence upon all colloidal substances manifests itself in a wide variety of ways. Individual reaction times, pain felt by amputees, and the number of suicides all reveal a similar variation in response to sunspots. Michael Guaquilin lists numerous ways in which the sunspot cycle effects weather conditions:
During violent solar eruptions, or at the time when important groups of sunspots move to the sun's central zone, a certain number of disturbances occur in our atmosphere, particularly the aurora borealis, as a result of the greater ionization in the upper atmosphere, and magnetic storms, revealed by violent agitation of compass needles.
The level of Lake Victoria-Nyanza changes in accordance with the rhythm of the sunspots, also the number of icebergs, and famines in India due to lack of rain. The Bulletin Astronomique de France brought out a very interesting article on the relation between the activity of sunspots and the quality of Burgundy wines: excellent vintages correspond with periods of maximum solar activity, and bad vintages with periods of minimum activity. A. Douglass and F.N. Shvedov, have observed that the concentric rings formed in the growth of trees have a period of recurrence of eleven years as well. Finally, there is Ralph Emerson De Lury's well-known statistical observation that the number of rabbit skins taken by the Hudson Bay Company follows a curve parallel to that of solar activity.
On this subject, perhaps the most interesting study is that carried out on varves. These say Piccardi, are many-layered deposits of sand or clay which are formed in calm waters, lakes, ponds, swamps, etc., in glacial zones. A varve's thickness depends on the rainfall in a given year. Examination of these fossilize deposits in sedementary rock formed through the geological ages reveals the same inevitable eleven year cycle in the most distant past.
(9) Potatoes, rats, fiddler crabs, and oysters are all governed by lunar periods.
Frank Brown, an eminent biologist at Northwestern University, Illinois, found that oysters in his laboratory, a thousand miles from their Connecticut shore, opened at the same time as their home shores' high tide, which in turn is related to the moon's orbital pattern. Brown also proved that potatoes, rats and fiddler crabs are all governed by lunar periods. He theorizes that the "biological clock" mechanisms observed in organisms can be explained by animals being sensitive to various subtle environmental factors. He also notes that "fluctuations in intensity of primary cosmic rays entering the Earth's atmosphere were dependent upon the strength of geomagnetism. The magnetic field steadily undergoes fluctuations in intensity. When the field is stronger, fewer primary cosmic rays come into the outer atmosphere; when it weakens, more get in." Other researchers have shown influences on the circadian rhythm of electrostatic fields, gamma radiation, x-rays, and weak radio waves. Recent years have shown an upsurge of interest in the ways in which human activity is effected by the remote environment. Scientists around the world who are doing research in this area have been meeting under the auspices of the International Society for Biometeorology.
(10) A theoretical model using principles of mathematics and physics may account for human consciousness and process as it relates to the zodiac.
Arthur M. Young, the founder of the Institute for the Study of Consciousness located in Berkeley, California, derived a "geometry of meaning" from the angular relationships that exist between the measure formula of physics. Starting from pure physical and mathematical relationships, Young built an elegant theoretical model that bears an uncanny isomorphism to the twelve signs of the zodiac. He began by plotting the motion of a pendulum (as a representative of simple harmonic motion - the basis of all wave motion) over time on a Cartesian coordinate system. Young derived a formula for the cycle of action or learning that leads to consciousness. If we expand upon the "geometry of meaning," a twelve measure formula of physics can be created for which the different astrological signs can be assigned according to the appropriateness of the physical and astrological symbolism. It provides a comprehensive metaphor with which to describe the processes of consciousness. It is also suggestive of a metasystem within which one can integrate the diverse disciplines of human endeavor. The theory also leads to a "wholistic" view of the universe, oneself, and humankind.
(11) The concept of karma was demonstrated to be a reality in a study which confirmed that acting selflessly has rewards.
Researchers from the Max Planck Institute for Limnology in Germany staged a series of complex computerized social games with 114 students. Their results appear in science magazine Nature. Manfred Milinski and colleagues had the students play two types of games, both using money as an incentive. Each game had six players who were kept anonymous by using pseudonyms. The history of each game was on screen so that the players could see what everyone else was doing, but there was no risk of identification after the game (or when they collected their cash). The central issue in such games is how to sustain a public resource the "tragedy of the commons". Without controls, individuals tend to use more than their share of the resource, destroying it for everyone. A common way of dealing with this is to punish the greedy people, which acts as an incentive for others to behave. The authors of the German study suggest positive reinforcement as an alternative. If people can see others performing good acts then they are more likely to behave in a publicly beneficial way. Read more about it at this news article here.
Astrology and the near-death experience
Astrological principles have been found in NDE testimony involving the twelve signs of the zodiac.
Dannion Brinkley was led to a heavenly cathedral where he saw the Being of Light with twelve other Beings representing the zodiac:
"I was able to count the beings as they stood behind the podium. There were thirteen of them, standing shoulder to shoulder and stretched across the stage. I was aware of other things about them, too, probably through some form of telepathy. Each one of them represented a different emotional and psychological characteristic that all humans have. For example, one of these beings was intense and passionate, while another was artistic and emotional. One was bold and energetic, yet another possessive and loyal. In human terms, it was as though each one represented a different sign of the zodiac. In spiritual terms, these beings went far beyond the signs of the zodiac. They emanated these emotions in such a way that I could feel them." (Dannion Brinkley)
Jesus led Betty Eadie before a Council of twelve men who decided to reveal to Betty her mission in order to convince her to return to Earth:
"I was led to a room, which was exquisitely built and appointed. I entered and saw a group of men seated around the long side of a kidney-shaped table. I was led to stand in front of them within the indented portion of the table. One thing struck me almost immediately; there were twelve men here - men - but no women. The men radiated love for me, and I felt instantly at peace with them. They leaned together to consult with each other. Then one of them spoke to me. He said that I had died prematurely and must return to Earth. I felt them saying it was important that I return to Earth, that I had a mission to fulfill, but I resisted it in my heart. This was my home, and I felt that nothing they could say would ever convince me to leave it. The men conferred again and asked me if I wanted to review my life ... I felt the love of the council come over me." (Betty Eadie)
Edgar Cayce revealed through his out-of-body journeys to heaven that the twelve apostles of Christ were representatives of the twelve signs of the zodiac.
The stars represent soul patterns, not experiences. The twelve signs of the zodiac are twelve patterns from which the soul chooses when coming into the Earth realm. They are like races - patterns of temperament, personality, etc. The star signs of the zodiac, for instance, influence people in subtle ways: by making some people bull-headed, or some people emotional, or some people timid, or some people introspective, based on the zodiac pattern chosen. [Reference 2823-1]
Jesus himself stated that the twelve apostles would someday judge people in a heavenly council of judges:
"Jesus said to them [the twelve], "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:2
Early Christians believed Jesus was the perfection of all the twelve heavenly constellations. He ruled over twelve disciples on Earth and he rules over the twelve signs of the zodiac in the heavens. The early Church leader Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.) had no hesitation in equating the twelve disciples with the twelve signs of the zodiac, with Christ as the central sun:
"By such reasoning, the body of Christ, through the numinous power of the zodiac, merges with the body of man, to become a single united symbol within the church." (Clement, Excerpta ex Theodota)
Lynnclaire Dennis discovered an interesting connection between the Light and a Council of twelve Elders. During Lynnclaire Dennis' NDE, she entered into the Light of the Universal Life Source which is God. In the light, she saw what she understood to be "the Pattern" of all life and was told that she was assigned to communicate to the world the message behind the Pattern. After her NDE, she would have recurring dreams of the Pattern and would be able to bring more subconscious memories of it into her consciousness. The pattern eventually caught the eye of quantum physicists because of its compatibility with the knotted pattern of 10-dimensional space in SuperString physics and its possible solution to the so-called Theory of Everything - the holy grail of all physics. The Pattern consists of twelve pieces surrounded by an unbroken line creating seven bridges within it. The mathematical name for it is a Fourier Trefoil knot. The following is the interesting connection between this twelve-piece Pattern and the Council of twelve elders:
Along with having recurring dreams of the Pattern, Lynnclaire also has recurring dreams of a "circle of twelve elders," one of whom is Asian and currently living in the flesh. In 1996, she visited China at the invitation of a scientist named Steve Bryson and within hours of arriving there, she was introduced to a man whom she recognized as the Asian elder. She is currently working with the Gorbachev Foundation and has found doors opening to diplomatic circles in many countries. She views the metaphysical meaning behind the Pattern as a potential tool for negotiation. (Lynnclaire Dennis)
World-renowned University of Illinois mathematician Dr. Louis Kauffman had this to say about the unifying principle behind Lynnclaire Dennis' Pattern:
"The fact that you can see many different forms in it as you turn it around makes it very beautiful for teaching purposes. You can say to people, 'Here is something that if you look at it one way shows you the Star of David, and if you turn it another way shows you the Yin-Yang, and if you turn it again you see the crescents sacred to Islam, the symbol for infinity, and the conventional image of an atom. And they're really all the same thing.' Mathematics is slowly teasing out those kinds of patternings by stepping carefully and slowly through various structures that give rise to puzzles. Those puzzles become centers of attention for people, and from them we begin to understand how everything is knitted together in the universe." (Dr. Louis Kauffman)
Read more about the astrology connection at the NDE and Astrology page.
Biblical support for astrology
The Bible mentions that God uses the heavenly bodies to show humans the signs of his intentions. These signs can be read by anyone who knows how to interpret them. Astrology is about interpreting these signs in the motions of the sun, moon, planets, and stars.
"And God said, 'Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth.' And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)
Jesus used astrology to reveal the signs in the sky of his coming.
"And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the Earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:25-27)
God used astrology to answer Job about questioning his omnipotence.
"Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth (the zodiac) in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? [an astrological constellation]" (Job 38:32)
Astrology refers to every 2160 years as a new "AGE" which is a different sign of the zodiac that comes into position to influence the Earth. The Bible describes events that will occur according to the signs of the astrological ages. Many people would be surprised to learn that the term and concept of a new age originated with the Bible.
"What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the AGE?" (Matt. 24:3)
"These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the AGES has come." (1 Cor. 10:11)
"[Christ was raised] far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present AGE but also in the one to come." (Eph. 1:21)
Here is an excellent Bible passage that uncannily describes the astrological influences on humanity and the suggestion that the universe operates on a cosmic clock:
"There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:
a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace." (Eccl. 3:1-
According to Flavius Josephus (A.D. 37 - 95), the famed Jewish historian, the Jewish temple at Jerusalem had the twelve signs of the zodiac inlaid in its floor. Josephus also stated that the twelve loaves of showbread in the temple was a reference to the zodiac. In modern times, Israel issued stamps with the zodiac signs identified with the twelve tribes of Israel and the astrological symbolism of the temple. Also, according to Josephus, a kind of miraculous quality was presumed to be found in the stones of the breastplate worn by the high priest of the temple. In this breastplate were twelve stones, representing the twelve signs of the zodiac, and arranged in four rows to represent the four seasons.
Read more about Biblical astrology at the Astrology in the Bible page.
Conclusion
We have shown that astrology has a scientific, historical, religious, philosophical, and metaphysical basis in reality. Astrology has also played a significant role in many important aspects of the human experience throughout history. In many ways, the current bias against astrology in scientific and religious circles has removed the historical "magic" that once existed in science and religion. Fortunately, quantum physics is restoring some of that "magic" that once existed in science. Near-death experiences are restoring the "magic" that once existed in both science and religion. The concept of "oneness" which quantum physics and near-death experiences are bringing to science and religion is the heart of astrology. It is the idea that everyone and everything is interconnected to form a single "organism". We are more than just a physical human body. The Earth, the solar system, the Milky Way galaxy, and the universe are our larger bodies of which we are one.
Edgar Cayce had some interesting insights on this matter that I would like to close with. According to Cayce, at present, humanity is in a state of great spiritual darkness - the darkness which precedes dawn. Humanity developed a level of skepticism that reached a point where it forced humans to make conclusions that they knew was intuitively wrong. At the same time, humanity continued their investigation of natural phenomena to the point where conscious awareness disproved all the higher knowledge that souls had in the beginning. The free will of humanity is discovering that all roads to higher knowledge is leading toward the same destination and conclusions. Scientific, theological, and philosophical knowledge, which has no desire to join forces, are approaching a point of merger. Skepticism faces destruction by its own hand.
"Astrology is a fact, in most instances. But astrological aspects are but signs, symbols. No influence is of greater value or of greater help than the will of an individual ... Do not attempt to be guided by, but use the astrological influences as the means to meet or to overcome the faults and failures, or to minimize the faults and to magnify the virtues in self." - Edgar Cayce |
stephanie11
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Hi Mr Cancer Guy, I'm Stephanie a SCORPIO woman from the Philippines. I read your post here and I understand your problem with your GF. I understand also the situation because me as a scorpio woman, I have experience all of this things. I used to like a caancer guy before but we are not both expressive and have lot of pride but I feel like he's my soulmate and I feel comfortable when i'm with him.. Anyway, going back to your problem Mr. Cancer guy, I know your asking, why your scorpio woman are now cold with you?..This is a big question for you and you dont know exactly whats the reason right?.. WEll, You know I understand everything... When the time she's with you..She loves you so much more than herself. She gives all the cares, her precious time just to be with you..Scorpio woman is an expressive type of person when it comes to love. but whe it comes to emotions, (like a cancer) we keep or hide it. So I think based on your story, you went to other country right! and you didin't tell her.. Ok, As a scorpio woman, she feels emotional that you did not inform her about that as she feels not important for you.. Maybe you don't have time for her that she feels alone sometimes and she get bored thats why she looks to be w/ her friends.. But u dont know..and maybe she did not tell you that during the time she feels alone.. it's you..who she wanted to spend with... maybe she feels that your job or other stuff is more important for you and thats how she understand it. Scorpio woman care so much and loyal to her love one and she expect the same too.. Maybe its a long time that she's patient with you.. understanding you.. and hides all the hurts thats why she became emotional and have decided to cut your relationships. She still wants to be friend with you because she dont like to loose you because she like to treasure you. But you know we, scorpio woman would like to be treated as your very special love one. And if you can baby her..take her to a beach and hug her... don't mention to much of your problem.. just take the time being with each other.. and just see,if the love will comeback... Just spend your time in the beach.. just you and your scorpio woman.. you should find time.. treat her as she's very important for you.. Be romantic...and do all romantic stuff.. Ok, so Hope you understand and try my advice.. let's see if it work..Just be careful on how you talk to her..It depends on how you say it..ok.. so I want you to be happy.. GOD Bless you |
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:23 pm
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Hi Mr Cancer Guy, I'm Stephanie a SCORPIO woman from the Philippines. I read your post here and I understand your problem with your GF. I understand also the situation because me as a scorpio woman, I have experience all of this things. I used to like a caancer guy before but we are not both expressive and have lot of pride but I feel like he's my soulmate and I feel comfortable when i'm with him.. Anyway, going back to your problem Mr. Cancer guy, I know your asking, why your scorpio woman are now cold with you?..This is a big question for you and you dont know exactly whats the reason right?.. WEll, You know I understand everything... When the time she's with you..She loves you so much more than herself. She gives all the cares, her precious time just to be with you..Scorpio woman is an expressive type of person when it comes to love. but whe it comes to emotions, (like a cancer) we keep or hide it. So I think based on your story, you went to other country right! and you didin't tell her.. Ok, As a scorpio woman, she feels emotional that you did not inform her about that as she feels not important for you.. Maybe you don't have time for her that she feels alone sometimes and she get bored thats why she looks to be w/ her friends.. But u dont know..and maybe she did not tell you that during the time she feels alone.. it's you..who she wanted to spend with... maybe she feels that your job or other stuff is more important for you and thats how she understand it. Scorpio woman care so much and loyal to her love one and she expect the same too.. Maybe its a long time that she's patient with you.. understanding you.. and hides all the hurts thats why she became emotional and have decided to cut your relationships. She still wants to be friend with you because she dont like to loose you because she like to treasure you. But you know we, scorpio woman would like to be treated as your very special love one. And if you can baby her..take her to a beach and hug her... don't mention to much of your problem.. just take the time being with each other.. and just see,if the love will comeback... Just spend your time in the beach.. just you and your scorpio woman.. you should find time.. treat her as she's very important for you.. Be romantic...and do all romantic stuff.. Ok, so Hope you understand and try my advice.. let's see if it work..Just be careful on how you talk to her..It depends on how you say it..ok.. so I want you to be happy.. GOD Bless you
Thank God finally a Scorpio.. we know each other so well.. all this time all I could get was science and horoscope.. i completely understand why she is reacting this way.. "When the time she's with you..She loves you so much more than herself. She gives all the cares, her precious time just to be with you..Scorpio woman is an expressive type of person when it comes to love. but whe it comes to emotions, (like a cancer) we keep or hide it." .. TRUE STORY.. all this has happened to us.. she did all that she could .. make me special.. we use to spend lot of times together.. we missed each other.. i think lately i was a little laid back call my crabbiness.. i was so content with her around that i missed doing little romantic things.. like less talk, busy with office colleagues .. more television, fb, etc.. less time for her.. this was really troubling her for a long time and but yo see she doesn't speak .. keep to herself.. I dint see that this was troubling her so much to an extent that she was falling out after 5 yrs.. she use to tell me hug me .. and wen i did she use to say this is not how we use to hug.. hold my hand and this is not how you use to hold my hand.. I use to feel .. what wrong with this gal.. i am holing and hugging with the same tenderness as before an she couldn't feel it.. i use to ask her wats wrong & she use to say.. we lost that "SPARK".. something "Deep".. MY MISTAKE.. Now i realize.. but instead of giving me hints she should tell me WATS bothering her..i cant read minds.. Now she has drifted apart and i being a emotional cancerian man cant bear the thought that i hae cause so much hurt & pain.. i asked for her forgiveness she say its not about forging .. we need to realize there is lot of things are missing an we are not meant to be together.. I question.. Every relation has hard times, difficult times.. Ours is complex.. need to hae faith & belie in each other rather than running away.. she says its the best ,.. i am doing for or future.. more i try to win her back .. more she resents and goes away.. cuts all ties.. Shuts the door completely leaving me cold .. i have made mistakes.. Taken her for granted.. hurt her feelings.. other day i was speaking to one of her common fren about how i was an how bad i feel of losing her.. she called me saying that stop talking to her frens.. She was my fren too.. now its only her frens.. how can she be so cold.. men sometimes are laid bak an o not show .. bt hat doesn't mean we hae lost feelings or we dont loe .. I have always loved her.. And it shall remain always.. I wanna keep her happy all her life.. and to make her dreams come true.. I have always remained true to her and protected her from all adversity.. I also learn that she has affection for someone else.. within 3 months ??? what bout me?? n the times we had.. why do u remember me for one wrong done and rest good things.. happy times are null and void ?
Why so much brooding resentment, morbid jealousy, total arrogance, sadistic and volatility of temperament..demanding and unforgiving of the faults..that they are not aware of the shortcomings in their own personality.
She has asked me to moe on in life.. i am not able to forget her.. i am so deep in the ocean.. it came as a shock as i was proposing her next month an ha mae lot of plans to o this that.. & wat not.. will take me years & a hope that we will be together again... now she doesn't reply my msgs.. emails or take calls..
Only once in your life, I truly believe, you find someone who can completely turn your world around. You tell them things that you've never shared with another soul and they absorb everything you say and actually want to hear more. You share hopes for the future, dreams that will never come true, goals that were never achieved and the many disappointments life has thrown at you. When something wonderful happens, you can’t wait to tell them about it, knowing they will share in your excitement. They are not embarrassed to cry with you when you are hurting or laugh with you when you make a fool of yourself. Never do they hurt your feelings or make you feel like you are not good enough, but rather they build you up and show you the things about yourself that make you special and even beautiful. There is never any pressure, jealousy or competition but only a quiet calmness when they are around. You can be yourself and not worry about what they will think of you because they love you for who you are. The things that seem insignificant to most people such as a note, song or walk become invaluable treasures kept safe in your heart to cherish forever. Memories of your childhood come back and are so clear and vivid it’s like being young again. Colours seem brighter and more brilliant. Laughter seems part of daily life where before it was infrequent or didn’t exist at all. A phone call or two during the day helps to get you through a long day’s work and always brings a smile to your face. In their presence, there’s no need for continuous conversation, but you find you’re quite content in just having them nearby. Things that never interested you before become fascinating because you know they are important to this person who is so special to you. You think of this person on every occasion and in everything you do. Simple things bring them to mind like a pale blue sky, gentle wind or even a storm cloud on the horizon. You open your heart knowing that there’s a chance it may be broken one day and in opening your heart, you experience a love and joy that you never dreamed possible. You find that being vulnerable is the only way to allow your heart to feel true pleasure that’s so real it scares you. You find strength in knowing you have a true friend and possibly a soul mate who will remain loyal to the end. Life seems completely different, exciting and worthwhile. Your only hope and security is in knowing that they are a part of your life. |
MrCancerGuy
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:26 pm
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I used to like a caancer guy before but we are not both expressive and have lot of pride but I feel like he's my soulmate and I feel comfortable when i'm with him..
Used to.. curious to know? And thanks for writing.. if u get upset reading my earlier msgs.. i am sorry.. i am confuse an going through a emotional ride.. |
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