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Richard@DecisionSkills
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Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:08 am
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There is no correct answer, it is not an either or. There are some innate, biological differences, yet nurture is by far the driving factor. That is if you can agree on the term intelligence. |
IsThatRight?
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Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:21 pm
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| Re: Intelligence - Made or Born? |
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Originally posted by tuxpic
Hi, this is my first post in the forum, i hope we could make good conversations  .
I was wondering if intelligence is made or if we born with it?
I mean do humans born with a "biological capacity" which we could seize to use it or not?
Thanks!
Here is what I believe:
What is Intelligence? I see it as the ability to effectively solve problems to get a desired outcome. People who can reach this desired outcome the most, are the most intelligent.
Intelligence is a really hard thing to ask questions about, then give an easy answer.
We can't all have exactly the same mental capabilities at birth,
Some babies will seem to be more "intelligent" (learning things faster, etc.)
I think this babies intelligence, whether lower or higher then other babies can be improved or deteriorated
So I would say that "mental capacity" doesn't really exist. It's a label given to the measurement of someone's ability to take in more information. I don't think that scientifically a "ceiling" has been found, where we are unable to learn more.
I guess to answer your question I would say that I don't think anyone's intelligence is set in stone, and that the genes your parents passed on, could make it harder to learn more, and harder to become "intelligent", but that anyone, even "stupid" people can become more intelligent- or more "capable of effectively solving problems" if they want. (It may or may not be harder for them depending on their genes) |
tuxpic
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:44 am
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If we dont born with a "biological cappacity", so why have no one got close to the intelligent Albert Einstein was? |
IsThatRight?
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:04 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by tuxpic
If we dont born with a "biological cappacity", so why have no one got close to the intelligent Albert Einstein was?
That is a hard statement to prove. I don't think everyone would accept that Einstein was the most intelligent person ever to live. Since intelligence has a different meaning for many people. I believe that Einstein was superior in the abilities he practised.
There are many other people considered geniuses in other areas, such as writers, artists, politicians. They might have been capable of harnessing things in their fields that may have been hard for Einstein to understand.
Ultimately I believe it's more important to recognize their individual contributions and how they have helped to improve our quality, appreciation and understanding of life.
I mean instead of trying to figure out who was the "most intelligent" (since it's hard to measure on any 1 criteria, because no one agrees on the correct criteria to use) lets figure out was the most beneficial, why they were beneficial, and we can imitate their success. |
gwen
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:15 am
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I believe Isthatright? is very much right |
Newton Shakespeare
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:13 pm
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| A little bit of both |
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I think that an individual can be born with a certain degree of intelligence if the parent's are what is "intelligent" as well. With that being said. I consider intelligence to be mostly made through learning, the only things seperating everyman from Einstein is how much self-discilpline one has in regards to knowledge.
I will say that it also has alot to do with personal perceptions and preferences to certain subjects. Someone who enjoys math will grow at a faster rate than someone who doesn't. I believe that is how Issac Newton came up with his theories because he himself became infatuated with the idea of what we now know as physics |
gwen
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Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:16 pm
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"Someone who enjoys math will grow at a faster rate than someone who doesn't."
I don't understand your theory???
Maths was never my strong point but I do believe I have strengths that made me grow just as fast |
thefool
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Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:28 pm
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From what i gather:
There are people who have an innate ability to form new pathways in their brains faster. These would simply be efficient brains. The difference between one person and another in this matter is not so large as to equate to a handicap or advantage either way, but there are exception in both directions.
Does this equate to intelligence? That is largely determined by education. There is such a thing as a really really really fast learning stupid person... and a really really really slow learning smart person.
It's a matter of influence, interest, personal goals, etc... anyone can solve a rubix cube, it's just a matter of time. In real world application the time factor does not generally apply, as people are naturally encouraged to specialize in any given field. |
tuxpic
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:17 pm
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Thanks all for your replies.
For me, "intelligence" is the ablity to resolve problems with the less knowledge possible. I mean, assuming there are 2 identical peoples (clones), with the same things in their memories, and in the same situation (altough this im saying is impossible, but i name it to give an example), so the "intelligent" one would be who could solve the problem. Im being clear?
Also, a person who realise things that other people dont, or thinks very "genial" ideas about the environment, that would be an "intelligent", creative, ingenious people, or all the qualities said combined?
Thanks. |
thefool
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Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:48 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by tuxpic
Thanks all for your replies.
For me, "intelligence" is the ablity to resolve problems with the less knowledge possible. I mean, assuming there are 2 identical peoples (clones), with the same things in their memories, and in the same situation (altough this im saying is impossible, but i name it to give an example), so the "intelligent" one would be who could solve the problem. Im being clear?
Also, a person who realise things that other people dont, or thinks very "genial" ideas about the environment, that would be an "intelligent", creative, ingenious people, or all the qualities said combined?
Thanks.
I think you're making a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions here.
First of all your hypothetical example is not possible in the real world, so it's really hard to discuss what may or may not happen based on those parameters.
So you take two identical clones, brain pathways included, but give one a slightly faster way of forming new pathways (so faster learning), (so they're not REALLY identical, but ok!), you freeze them in time, set up a puzzle, unfreeze them and yell "GO!"... right?
Well the instant they "unfreeze" nothing they "know" matters, because there's no way to determine who will recall what first. One might think of cookies first, the other might think of their cat first... the puzzle may involve something with cats, or cookies. Maybe one of them looked around and noticed a piece of cloth lying around, thought of a carpet and solved the carpet puzzle first... Or the other had a sudden bowel movement and thought of gas and solved the gas puzzle faster.
You see there's no real way to determine if the "faster" clone will solve the puzzles faster, because it's not really dependent on their "speed" or how fast they learn, more about what information they access first. It's like rooting through a box of puzzle pieces looking for the right one. You speed is really determined by whether or not you get lucky and grab the right piece any time soon.
Now is that me saying there's no way to gain an advantage in solving puzzles? No, you can learn ways of solving puzzles faster, you can learn methods and techniques, etc. But in this case both people are identical, only one learns slightly faster. |
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