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SarahPD229
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:20 pm
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| Hypnotic regression gone wrong? |
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Hi everyone, I am currently engaged in a discussion about hypnotic regression in another forum.
http://www.secretcrypt.com/gsforums/viewtopic.php?p=35941#35941
& I was wondering if anybody could recommend some good articles or research findings to help me argue my case?
The thread began by me asking if anyone had ever been regressed, and if they could share their experiences. I also asked if anyone had ever come across a child who remembered being somebody else before they were born. Unfortunately the thread didn't go the way I wanted it to, and the first reply was from someone who said that hypnotherapists are "bad" because they plant ideas of past memories in peoples heads by leading them, and that they knew someone personally who accused their Father of sexually abusing them after being regressed to their childhood, and the father was such a nice man that it was impossible to believe! It had ruined his life!...I replied by saying that either it was a poorly trained hypnotherapist who conducted the session or that the person had indeed been abused by that man (who's to say!).
Now somebody else has posted an article (from a website about the Dangers of Misguided therapy, www.rickross.com) saying that it has been proven in research in the UK and the US that therapists do infact lead their patients, and False memory syndrome has become a big problem in the US, with scores of people believing they have been abducted by aliens, or that they have been abused in satanic rituals at some time.They believe that regressive therapy is to blame.
Now I know this is a pretty extreme article, but I wanted to find a good article on the positives and benefits of past life regression to support my argument.
Can anyone help me out?
Please feel free to come and join me on the other board if you have something you would like to add.
Bring a hard hat!
Kind Regards
Sarah |
Roger Elliott
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:25 pm
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Hi Sarah
First off, welcome to the forum.
I'm not entirely sure what you are asking, but if you want to know about false memory syndrome, here is a good place:
http://www.bfms.org.uk/
False memory syndrome is well proven and understood, and can be created by anyone, not just hypnotherapists.
I myself don't believe in past lives, or use past life regression, but there may be others here who can help you on that.
All the best
Roger |
Michael Lank
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:26 pm
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Hi Sarah,
Welcome to the Forum.
[puts hard hat on]
It is true that some, misguided therapists, maybe hypnotherapists, or therapists in other fields can encourage people to produce false memories. This is usually done by therapists who have misguided theories that most emotional upset is the result of abuse when younger, and that therefore the client must find the 'repressed' memory to recover, rather than that these people are 'bad'.
In a sense whenever we remember something and still get the good/bad feelings connected with it we are regressing to that time.
You're interested in past life regression - one book, which I haven't read, but someone (a Hindu, who does believe in past lives) told me about today is Many Lives Many Masters by Bryan Weiss a hypnotherapist.
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Michael Lank
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:54 pm
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Ant,
I think it's no more correct to link TimeLine Therapy to past life regression than it is to link hypnosis - yes some people use both for past life regression, but it's not an intrinsic element of TimeLine Therapy.
Like hypnotherapy I think that TimeLine Therapy can be effective if correctly used.
TimeLine Therapy can accomodate going into past lives if that fits in with the client's model of the world, as can hypnotherapy. |
Mark Tyrrell
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Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:42 pm
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Yes false memory is certainly well documented. Memories can be implanted unwittingly http://www.hypnos.co.uk/hypnomag/pdurbin1.htm
I sometimes wonder about modern media. We now have so many movies, so much tv-much of it 'reality tv'.
We get glimpses of the lives of the rich and famous. We see them sun bathing, partying eating.
When the young of today are very old and reflect dimly on their distant pasts will the contents of tv and film have seeped into their memories? Will distant soap plots feel like real events that had happened to them?
Will we recall scenes from film and TV in fifty years time and wonder whether these snaps in time are our own personl histories? It seems lives have merged and blended when the bikini choice of an internationl actress becomes an international concern from Japan to Iceland and when the love lives of soap characters have as much potency as characters from our local communities.
Mark
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Crudshoveller
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:40 pm
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| Hypnotic Regression |
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Sarah - Hope you still visit this forum because I have an interest in this subject too. Don't you find many comments about hypnotic regression irritatingly dismissive, not to mention mis-informed? The leading-the-subject is well recognized and conscientious hypnotists, especially those interested in the phenomenon of hypnotic regression, take great pains to eliminate any possibility of tainting the result. Records made from tapes of good regression sessions evidence this dis-involvement clearly. Regression somethimes throws up specific and very obscure information, stuff that the 'read or heard then forgotten' explanation doesn't come close to satisfying. You probably know this. Cryptomnesia seems to be a factor sometimes, but with other cases it is not a reasonable explanation. But we never know for sure. To say, 'we can never be sure WHAT we've heard or read' is quite correct - but that kind of 'evidence' needs to be directly related to a case actually under review, or it is meaningless.
Logic suggests past life recall is impossible, but as I say, evidence against the reality of the phenomenon, in at least some cases, is pathetically thin.
Information from a regression that contradicts common knowledge (thus seems also to eliminate telepathy as a possible source in THAT particular case) but that subsequent research proves to be correct - contrary to widely held belief - is a mystifying factor.
There are many people who want to know where this wonderful information comes from, many others cling tenaciously to 'obvious logic' - cryptomnesia, and the product of seeds sown by the hypnotherapist himself - or they simply dismiss it all as nonsense without due consideration.
The fact that subjects who are later regressed to re-visit at random various points in the past life unerringly adopt the appropriate voice, environment, and knowledge (yet no knowledge of things that wouldn't have happened yet at that time), etc. seems quite impossible to fabricate, but could there be an alternative explanation for this remarkable and unfailing consistency? One has to remain open to un-thought-of possibilities - just in case.
Hypnotists who run regression sessions for financial gain obviously have a good reason to induce 'false memories' - it would be more valuable to them to have a satisfied client who will possibly come back for more, or will bring in new clients. Hypnotists who accept no fee, and who perform the regressions solely out of historical interest or for reason of professional investigation would seem to have no reason to fix the results, and every reason to maintain scrupulous psychological sterility. And they will be aware of how to avoid the pitfalls.
The nay-sayers don't come close to writing it off for me Sarah, but reincarnation is not an easy pill to swallow either. Perhaps it is possible in the right circumstances to dip into some etherial human consciousness repository - it sounds dotty doesn't it, but as I say, given all the time and resources expended by sceptics on destroying the idea of past life recall, the evidence they offer is hopelessly superficial, generalised and miserably inadequate. For me there is far more evidence that there is/was no God, and no act of creation, than there is against hypnotic regression revealing past lives (though, for me, it does not necessarily have to be an earlier reincarnation of the subject under hypnosis). I wonder how many hypnotic regression sceptics claim and actually believe there is an almighty God? Ha ha. I have heard of no evidence that supports THAT notion in the slightest degree. It simply seems to be a long-established, comfortable, conventional, groundless belief - no more than an urban legend. A fellow goes to church on Sunday to 'worship' God, and on the Monday raids his neighbour's chicken-coop for eggs. That's not to say there isn't a God, or that what some see as God I see too, but view differently, and know by a different name, and assign different attributes.
I wish I could just 'believe' like the others, but unfortunately my inner self demands facts before it allows me to arrive at my conclusion.
For me the book is still open on both God and hypnotic regression and is likely to remain so for some time. |
SarahPD229
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:56 am
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What a surprise! I thought this subject had gone to ground months ago, but thanks for starting it up again anyhow.
Since my first post I have now started my training in hypnotherapy, so I am already seeing things a little more objectively, or maybe I should say constructively, to say the least!
One thing I would like to know, is how many of you (therapists) have actually had clients come to you, solely to be regressed, to find out about their past lives? And if they have, how many have been successful, and how many of them have left you convinced there may be some foundation in their belief that they have just experienced a glimpse back to a previous life?
Its seems to be a subject that hypnotherapists are afraid to discuss.
Sarah. |
Bridget
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:08 am
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Hi Sarah
In my experience, people don't tend to go to hypnotherapists for past life regression - they go to a hypnotherapist to overcome a problem or difficulty that is affecting THIS life, with no preconceptions as to how the therapist is going to help them. Most therapists will then proceed to agree a goal for therapy and 'fix' the problem strategically - without the need to 'go back' to past lives.
I think most people who want to regress to a past life will specifically go to somebody who specialises in past life regression - which can be done without hypnosis.
Perhaps most hypnotherapists don't generally discuss past life regression because it simply isn't a tool that they would normally use to help their client. Perhaps there are more effective and efficient ways to cure the problem.
Enjoy your training.
Bridget |
SarahPD229
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:12 am
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quote:
Originally posted by Bridget
I think most people who want to regress to a past life will specifically go to somebody who specialises in past life regression - which can be done without hypnosis.
Thats interesting, how can it be done without hypnosis?
Sarah  |
Bridget
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:20 am
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It can be done with guided imagery or simple visualisation (similar to hypnosis, I know, but not quite the same - you don't have to be in a trance and you don't have to use hypnotic language, tie up the conscious mind or change your voice).
What is it about past life regression that fascinates you so? Have you ever experienced it?
Bridget |
SarahPD229
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:42 am
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No Bridget, I have never experienced it, and am a true fence sitter as to whether it actually exists or not, having not yet had enough experiences of my own to use as evidence to help me decide.
The reason it interests me is that some years ago, I read the book Yesterdays Children, by Jenny Cockell, which as you might already know, was about a woman who claimed to have located her living children from her previous life, after being hypnotised by a professional therapist.
I can't remember the reason she visited the therapist in the first place!
The book was a very interesting read, and ofcourse could have been complete lies, but it was fascinating in that she showed the reader how, after being regressed repeatedly, she recalled more and more about who she had been, where she had lived, and how she had died prematurely, leaving behind a number of children. This feeling of worry for their welfare motivated her to travel to Ireland and find the plot where her cottage had been, and then on to actually find her children.
Thats the foundation for my interest in the subject. Of course there is also the fact that bringing it up as discussion on another forum was met with some obvious hostility, not directed at me, but to hypnotherapists in general. So I then felt I had to defend properly trained hynotherapists, as much as I could. Thats why I came here to ask if anyone could help me to disuade them from tarring all therapists with the same brush.
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SarahPD229
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:44 am
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Oh and by the way, if you are wondering where my signature comes from
"I'll see you in the next life when we are both cats!"
I am a Tom Cruise groupie *blushes*, and its from his film Vanilla Sky.
I just love that film!! |
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). It's the pseudoscientific way of using false memory and past life regression. Imaginary or not it promotes rapid change. Just don't wear a cloak and pretend to be talking to spirits.