NLP vs Hypnosis

Postby grovelli » Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:27 pm

Are NLP techniques an extension of or refinements of hypnosis or are they two different disciplines and if so what is the link between them? Can the Rewind technique be considered a rapid NLP technique?
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Postby Mark Tyrrell » Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:02 pm

Hi grovelli :lol:

NLP techniques are indistinct from hypnotic techniques.

The focussing inwards, the processing reality through the imagaintion, the seeking to learn through the insticts are all hypnotic. I think it's good to have an overview in psychology so we can look to basic human psychological principles rather than false divisions.

I still hear people saying things like: 'I don't do hypnosis I do NLP!', or Now I've learned some NLP I'd like to study hypnosis.' Some would say that what these people need is an overview.

NLP was a way of packaging hypnosis. The Rewind technique is one way (and one of the quickest ways) of utilising a basic human principle which is that if you get someone to imagine or remember something calmly (when always before the event or trigger has been imagined/remembered whilst the person is highly fearful) then the associative traces of that expereince will be removed from the 'fight or flight' part of the brain (The Amigdala) and be 'reconfigured' in the more narrative, and so more detacehed, and therefore calmer, part of the brain (The neo-cortex).

This is a hypnotic or NLP technique depending on how you choose your language but the two things are not actually different-it's a way of using the natural human trance state.

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Postby grovelli » Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:19 am

My feelings exactly so...long live hypnosis!(and a pox on NLP? :) )
Those questions of mine about NLP were originally made on the smoking & pattern matching thread as it seemed NLP was described as something different than hypnosis there and all the rapid techniques mentioned therein seemed to bear an NLP label, setting them apart from hypnosis.
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Postby grovelli » Mon Oct 27, 2003 4:50 pm

mark tyrrell wrote:I still hear people saying things like: 'I don't do hypnosis I do NLP!', or Now I've learned some NLP I'd like to study hypnosis.' Some would say that what these people need is an overview.

Mark,
I was reading a message posted today by Anthony Jaquin on the thread titled "Smoking & pattern matching" in which he says he's using the "parts reframe" NLP technique. Do you believe that you can monitor progress in communicating with a "part" by watching if a smoker's arm can levitate?
Hypnosis never goes against one's will so how can the hypnotherapist force an arm to levitate? Suppose I was the smoker, why should my arm lift all of a sudden depending on how I communicate with a "part"? But even if it did, how should one interpret this lifting? Does it mean "yes"? "no"? "perhaps"? or what else?
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Postby Anthony Jacquin » Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:21 pm

Perhaps I will answer myself. If you havent worked with an unconscious signal it is probably difficult to imagine. I am certainly not forcing someones arm to levitate. In trance I suggest to my clients that the unconscious will sometimes communicate using movement, it may be a finger lifting or a muscle twitching or a whatever....

I then ask a straightforward question like , ' Iwant you grovelli's unconscious mind to look through al the things in his life and pick one thing that is of vital and upmost importance to his life, health, future and well being'. When the unconscious has made that choice I would like that yes signal to occur.

Now this is where honing your Erickson style observation skills helps - it will occur - finger movement, leg mving, eye flicker it really doesnt matter. I then put in a request to transfer that signal to the 'part' responsible for whatever it is....and for that yes signal to occur only as quickly as that part has taken full control. On occasion someone lifts their arm consciously - this is normally pretty clear and i make clear that is not what I want. Once an ideomotor signal is established it can certainly be used as a gauge of the unconscious process. In fact at times if my clients unconscious refuses to communicate I feel a bit lonely :cry: . It also acts as the best convincer for your client that something is occuring. Often I bring them into the process by getting them to open their eyes and try and stop the movement whatever it is. It opens them up to the possibilities, power of their mind and gives them an experience to talk of.

There is no forcing required. The client does not consciously move their arm. In fact if they did it would scupper the whole technique. The meaning of the signal is verified in the questions. I normally set up a yes and no. The arm rising further indicates yes. Sometimes a nice digital yes and no signal is not possible so you have to get them to do something else. i.e the arm is way above their head - get it to vibrate.

I am very interested to know how anyone else uses unconscious signals? I am a big fan of Ernest Rossi and he uses ideomotor signals in quite a unique way.

Again my question to you is how do you work thorugh a parts reframe without unconscious communication - or do you trust that verbal communication is uncnscious
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Postby grovelli » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:05 am

Thank you so much Anthony for taking the time and shedding light on the "parts reframe" technique. You're very nice.
You said, "I then put in a request to transfer that signal to the 'part' responsible for whatever it is....".
Does that request always get accepted in your experience? And if we consider the smoking problem, when you say "that part has taken full control." do you mean full control of what? I don't suppose you mean that when and if the "part" takes full control it means the smoking problem has been licked, do you?
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Postby Anthony Jacquin » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:36 am

Once an ideomotor signal is established I then request that the part responsible for the smoking habit takes control of that signal - when it has taken full control I ask it to allow the signal to occur. If a signal is established then it is likely it will be transferred - the main IF is whether a signal can be established and one that can clearly be perceived. The problem is 'licked' when you complete the parts reframe. That said I always use an hour of conversation, prior to the trance where the parts reframe takes place as well as metaphor and all the usual suggestion.

As far as i can tell the pre-talk is one of the most important things to refine. It must be strong if you are going to shake up those limiting beiefs.

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