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Wildcard
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:12 am
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If you can produce change with the help of hypnosis, can you change someones moral and ethical beliefs? |
Parkey
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:37 am
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[quote:a8c492ad5d="Wildcard"] Probably everyone in our society has the moral belief that we should obey the law, because they are a set of standards that are good for everyone. But some people still tend to break the law. I think it is because their ethical beliefs tell them that the law is stupid, makes no sense, irrational and and and...maybe the law even jeopardizes the persons well being (in a case of self-defense)...all of a sudden, even though they still have a certain moral
A lot of people like to bend the law if they don't feel it benefits them in their present circumstances. A good example is traffic laws like motorists speeding or cyclists jumping red lights.
The rationalisation you describe often comes afterward. "Everyone else does it", "it's not hurting anyone", "I know what I'm doing".
I don't think it's ethics, I think it's selfishness which is then rationalised so that it then fits that person's set of ethics. |
Wildcard
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:13 am
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"The rationalisation you describe often comes afterward. "Everyone else does it", "it's not hurting anyone", "I know what I'm doing".
I don't think it's ethics, I think it's selfishness which is then rationalised so that it then fits that person's set of ethics."
Good point! |
StarShadow
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:36 am
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I think that when you get right down to it, under the right circumstances a person can and will do anything. Maybe a limiting factor is whether or not they can rationalize the behaviour in some way? Which leads to, will a person with a good imagination be easier to 'convince' to do things they might not normally do? |
Wildcard
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:25 am
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Or maybe it´s the other way around? A person that can imagine doing something is more likey not to do it, because they realize what consequences it can have. They would have a better judgement between what is right and what is wrong. I have no idea...
Sometimes you read about people that explain the experience they had when they did something they consider wrong...like under extreme stress situations...they describe it like a video game or like watching themselves from outside their body...it´s like they dont want to have anything to do with what is happening. Think of alter egos like Dr. Jeckl and Mr. Hyde.
Not that it would be cool to create an alter ego in someone...but interessting.  |
givingup
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:17 pm
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You can rationalize almost anything though , cant you ? for example , if i killed one of my ex's , i could rationalize it by saying i'm doing his girlfriend a favour as she wont be beaten up by him anymore . if i shot a complete stranger , i could say i am helping with the overpopulation of the planet . if i shot my son , i could say i'm doing him a favour and ending his depression ... then wrong becomes right . |
StarShadow
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:22 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by givingup
You can rationalize almost anything though , cant you ? for example , if i killed one of my ex's , i could rationalize it by saying i'm doing his girlfriend a favour as she wont be beaten up by him anymore . if i shot a complete stranger , i could say i am helping with the overpopulation of the planet . if i shot my son , i could say i'm doing him a favour and ending his depression ... then wrong becomes right .
That's exactly my pont!  |
Wildcard
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:46 pm
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Why dont we think up some tests like Kev suggested? |
BladeBlunter
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:57 pm
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Think there is an echo on the super highway lol |
kevsheldrake
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:03 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Wildcard
Why dont we think up some tests like Kev suggested?
I've been away with work again and I think the debate about morals and ethics in my absence has been really good. If we can come up with some tests, we can debate whether they are sufficient to demonstrate what we believe about morals and ethics and breaching them.
The girl removing her clothes is a good example. Have you asked her about that experience? It would make a good case study.
Kev |
k2r
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:18 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by kevsheldrake
The girl removing her clothes is a good example. Have you asked her about that experience? It would make a good case study.
Kev
bet you can't show the results on youtube |
kevsheldrake
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:06 am
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quote:
Originally posted by k2r
quote:
Originally posted by kevsheldrake
The girl removing her clothes is a good example. Have you asked her about that experience? It would make a good case study.
bet you can't show the results on youtube
Send it to me and I'll use cinepaint to blur her modesty. I believe (although actual sitenames would be most inappropriate so please don't post any) that there are sites that host more risque videos.
"Nothing will give you greater pleasure than to sign this release form."
"You are a Hollywood star who loves to sign autographs. You always use your real name, X, when signing autographs. I'm going to give you a piece of paper and you'll see that it's blank and will sign at the bottom of it."
Kev |
StarShadow
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:02 am
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Hmm..and once it's signed you exchange 'Hollywood star' to 'Porn star'?  |
Parkey
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Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:40 pm
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To resurrect an old thread, I just came across this on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUgcq5j78
Oh I would love to see what someone like Ant could have done instead of that lady hypnotherapist... |
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