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WizardofOZz
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:14 am
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Anyone have any benefits from using psychedelic drugs, such as LSD?
I watched a documentary one time, about Albert Hoffman, the doctor who discovered LSD. He said that he had this insight never before possible when he used the drug LSD. |
JAKJRF
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:32 pm
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Hi WizardofOZz
Here’s a few links that document LSD, its benefits in therapy and provide some user experience of those benefits. First though, to pick up an interesting look at the several psychologies of mind altering substances that more are familiar with, take a look the Psychologist article On vines and minds. The section “Cognition and behavior” says “many psychoactive substances have been associated with creativity, and ancient Persians are reported to have used wine to facilitate decision making. An issue would be explored whilst intoxicated and, the next day, the conclusions that stood up to sober scrutiny were adopted”.
Moving on to LSD I did note that in 2008 “Mount Sinai researchers have identified a new receptor complex in the brain that responds to several types of antipsychotic drugs used to treat schizophrenia and also reacts to hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD” in this press release Discovery of new receptor complex in brain - better understanding of how hallucinations occur.
And finally the payoff LSD discovered on this day {April 16} 65 years ago. It gives Albert Hofmann’s account of the LSD discovery for those that missed the documentary. It also provides great links to ‘LSD use as an effective treatment for alcoholism’. It says “historical research shows that LSD was effective in treating alcoholism. For the last 5 years, Erika Dyck, a professor of medical history at the University of Alberta, has been investigating the work of a pioneering group of Canadian psychiatrists who in the 1950s and 60s used LSD to treat alcoholic patients. During that time, she has uncovered research papers describing studies in which single doses of the hallucinogenic drug were an effective effective treatment for alcoholism, and has interviewed patients who participated in the clinical trials documented in the papers. Her findings are published in Social History of Medicine.”
The comments section gives testimony of people who claim to have experinced benefits from using psychedelic drugs. |
Mica
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:15 pm
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Hoffer and Osmond, Candian researchers, studied LSD and theorized that stimulating the delirium tremens in alcoholics was a crucial step before they could stop drinking alcohol.
"Hoffer claimed a 50% success rate with 2000 alcoholics, although he noted that it was more likely the psychedelic experience of LSD rather than simulated delirium tremens that convinced the alcoholics to stop drinking." |
satanstoystore
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:51 pm
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I heard Timothy Leary had great success using lsd and therapy with convicts. I haven't verified this yet. |
Michael Lank
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:02 pm
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If you are not already aware, LSD use is illegal, the rules of the forum say 'Do not post anything promoting illegal activities'.
It is also worth noting that a large number of people have had bad short and long-term effects from using LSD. LSD induces psychosis and I would not advice anyone to take LSD. |
WizardofOZz
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:05 am
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Ahh yes Michael Lank!
But open your eyes to the power behind such drugs!
JAKJRF, I found your post quite helpful. Thanks for the article! |
process400D
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do you know what an appophlectic hemmorage is? because i hear LSD is causal, and that it overstimulates the nervous system and dissolves the cortical strands at the base of the brain, many people have also said that without those strands the body doesn't function motor regularly. i think the term is brain innervation, and as for red green and blue are you with me? i don't remember what happened so, i don't like acid if only because i'm not physiologically inclined for it. i could outline it verbatim with cites from the abstract if anyone is interested and it wouldn't be a bore. quite mind blowing to me myself and i.
also, the hallucinations of lsd are cause by the eradication of the flow of efferent nerve currents to the cortical nerve tissues, whereby the veridical hallucination occurrs and you may find yourself staring at your hand wondering how it moves. the brain expands and the cerebral fluid around it dissipates (that i don't know what that does persay) and the closure of the synapses causes a depression in the cranium whereby the blood 'rains' onto the spin and drips down onto the nerve centre lowest therein, which cause hallucinations due to the optic nerve reception that is now covered in blood. or something to this effect.
and as for, doctor my memory is doing much better.
i think i'll pass on the hallucinogens
from what i understand, brain innervation is the apperceptive imbalance of the brain and nerve where the nerves become more active and the brain less active because the nerve is nourished by the 'beijing cocktail' of the lsd mixture and the brain is overcome by the physiological inhibition (as the plegmatic effect of the ancient grecian times). this causes the brain to be less able to exert its impulses at the time of ingestion and a white film can form around the optic nerve which causes an excitation in the stimulus response of the tear ducts whereby they begin to pulsate. |
Michael Lank
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:12 am
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Originally posted by WizardofOZz
Ahh yes Michael Lank!
But open your eyes to the power behind such drugs!
Ah yes, the power behind such drugs:
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Under the influence of LSD, the ability to make sensible judgments and see common dangers is impaired, making the user susceptible to personal injury, which can be fatal. After an LSD trip, the user may suffer acute anxiety or depression, and may also experience flashbacks, which are recurrences of the effects of LSD days or even months after taking the last dose. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, usually in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem. Healthy people who use LSD occasionally may also have flashbacks. Bad trips and flashbacks are only part of the risks of LSD use. LSD users may also manifest relatively long-lasting psychoses, such as schizophrenia or severe depression.
LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug.
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Q: I've heard you talk about how bad LSD is, but I can't seem to find any information about the dangers of long-term use. What are some of the potential side effects?
A: There is no single source of information that outlines the long-term problems associated with LSD exposure. However, in my clinical experience, and I'm sure anyone who works in addiction medicine will agree with me, even moderate exposure to LSD is associated with potentially long-term mood disturbances. What's so frightening about LSD is that for some, these mood problems develop 10 years after the exposure, and treating the problem then is extremely difficult. We've all heard about flashbacks, where people spontaneously experience an LSD trip years after taking the drug; but some users who take a large dose of LSD may also experience what's called post-hallucinogenic perceptual disorder. The person feels locked into a dream-like state long after they should have come down. It's extremely frightening for them, and they become depressed and panicky, and often end up with long-standing mood disturbances from that point on. Some of our members on drDrew.com have told us they have subtle, permanent changes (like a haze) in their vision.
LSD is a highly potent drug that permanently alters the way your brain functions. It happens in parts of your brain that aren't easy to identify, but trust me on this: the changes have very serious consequences. From what I've seen, after 30 to 50 hits of acid or one large dose, people cross the threshold to long-term problems.
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megan
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:23 am
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Ahh yes Michael Lank!
But open your eyes to the power behind such drugs!
I had a friend back in the 70's who thought she could fly and jumped out of a window whilst on LSD and spent nine weeks in hospital! Any perceived 'power' that is derived is purely a figment of the imagination of someone's brain that is stupified in chemicals!
It wasnt so long ago that cannabis too was hailed as a wonder recreational drug that should be legalised. Now there are untold cases of psychosis, paranoia and long term depression for long term users long after they have ceased to use it.
There will always be sympathisers, however I believe any mind altering substance does so with some long term negative consequences which can be severe, whether that is apparent or not at the time. I do not have any faith in any euphoria, sense of wellness, perception of 'power' etc that is chemically induced, there is always a come down and consequences |
Michael Lank
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:12 am
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It's a wonderful reframe of drug induced psychosis to call it 'insight'. It's something that is common to many drug and alcohol users, claiming it makes them more interesting, or it is the 'real' them or whatever. |
Sluagh
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:30 am
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It's something that is common to many drug and alcohol users, claiming it makes them more interesting, or it is the 'real' them or whatever
Yes I totally agree. de - nile is not just a river in egypt... |
WizardofOZz
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:02 am
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Dear Mr. Lank,
If you have not used LSD, you are not a reliable resource to degrade the drug's benefits. |
Nameless
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:13 am
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The best and the worst thing I ever decided to do in my life. |
Michael Lank
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:20 am
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Dear Mr WizardofOZz,
Your assumption that only people who have used a drug are able to discuss its merits is not a reasonable assertion. Can only smokers comment on the health problems created by cigarettes? Are alcoholics the only people able to comment on the risks of alcoholism? I've never taken thalidomide, but know that it is not safe for pregnant women, or am I not a reliable resource for that either?
There is sufficient objective evidence of the health risks of LSD that anyone can justifiably comment.
As it happens I have taken LSD, but do not think that makes me any more or less a reliable resource to comment on it. From my own personal experience I would say that it had no therapeutic benefit.
I have also met enough acid casualties to know that it is something that it is not advisable to recommend for others and a particularly bad idea to discuss in a psychology forum, where many people have mental health issues that could be severely worsened if they thought LSD might be a good idea to experiment with. |
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