Interesting articles. Thanks.
Greenteeth wrote:My point here really is that if it works for some people then it must be a good thing,
But at what cost? Since writing the original post of this thread, I have been thinking more about my “pro #2” on the list, which said that because AA has decent rates of success, it “saves many lives as such.”
What I’m thinking more now is that although it helps stabilize lives in that it helps some people become sober from alcohol, it really just drops them off on a plateau that isn’t emotionally sober to the depths, so thus doesn’t “save them” all that much.
Your first article talked about substituting “self-destructive habits … with good habits,” ie. AA. I think relatively speaking going to AA can be better than drinking, but by no means is AA an absolutely ”good habit” – for the reasons I list as cons. It can actually be a habit that reinforces a lot of pathological behavior.
Greenteeth wrote:…but from my experience, resolving childhood traumas connected to addictions of any form may not necessarily solve the problem…
I disagree here. If a person resolves his childhood traumas he will lose his need for addiction. But I think your next point is well taken, namely, that it is very difficult for most people to make much headway in resolving their early traumas…
Greenteeth wrote:There are many traumas that are hard to access, and in some cases can never be accessed fully. The trauma of birth is an example of this, so too is embryonic trauma. Trying to get people to remember their "white water rafting" journey of the embryo toward the womb and then attatchment to the wall of the womb, is not necessarily that practical.
But by no means should this stop us from attempting to access our deeper selves and resolve those traumas that are at our fingertips. I have seen many people who try to access and resolve their deepest traumas and make little headway because they miss the far more obvious traumas that occurred later in their lives – and may still presently be occurring. It’s like trying to drain a overflowing bathtub with a tiny hose…when you haven’t yet turned off the faucet still filling the tub.
Greenteeth wrote:I spose I am just trying to say that sometimes to go through those traumas may be retraumatising itself, and actually work out worse. It is not everyone's time to reach the goal of truth, and there are other options which can help someone lead a good and healthy life again.
Reaching truth is a process. I don’t see it as all or nothing. I have seen that some people find a good measure of truth in AA, but this doesn’t mean “the program” isn’t still laden with heavy denial and distortion.
Greenteeth wrote:I think the most important thing is to give some space and some freedom of expression to anyone trying to deal with their problems in an honest and genuine way.
The problem is, AA so often blocks this freedom of expression for the most honest people.
Try this not uncommon AA quote: “We’re here to talk about alcohol, not feelings!”