Hypnotic mind control

Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:49 pm

If someone crushed your willpower, shamed you, and undermined you, is it possible to make people do something they don't want to with hypnosis?
DirtyOldCar237
New Member
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:50 pm
Likes Received: 0


#1

Postby saladinsmith » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:35 am

We don't know much apt brainwashing, because no civilized scientist would experiment with it. However, after the Korean War, a little less than five percent of US and UK soldiers who had been held captive in China opted to remain there, rather than return to their native countries, suggesting that brainwashing was effective in some cases, but nowhere near the majority.

There have also been at least four cases throughout history where it seems that a person was hypnotized into committing a crime. However, in several of those cases, the person resisted the most extreme suggestions, and if I recall correctly, in every case, the hypnotist got a substantial jail sentence.
saladinsmith
Full Member
 
Posts: 133
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:46 am
Likes Received: 28

#2

Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:09 pm

Okay. Well I've had some people doing strange hypnosis things to me.

I stayed round someone's house, and they came in while I was asleep and started talking to me. They sort of talked me through a dream.

The next night they came in and started shouting at me, I woke up with a start and for some reason thought I could pretend to be asleep to "hide".
As I did this I got somehow trapped, where I was in a state not dissimilar to sleep paralysis, I couldn't move and could only hear what they were saying, and my own inner monologue, but wasn't directly in control of what I was saying or doing.

It was horrific, he said some horrible things, kept interrogating me about stuff, and then told me to bark like a dog.
It was a horrible barrage of events and unfortunately it keeps happening. Its very difficult to remember, and is even more difficult considering I have no real control over this. I'm worried that eventually my subconscious will submit to what it is they want me to do....
DirtyOldCar237
New Member
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:50 pm
Likes Received: 0

#3

Postby saladinsmith » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:44 pm

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:they came in while I was asleep and started talking to me. They sort of talked me through a dream.

That sounds like a technique that G.H. Estabrooks mentions in his book, Hypnotism. It's either in Chapter 1 or Chapter 2, depending on which edition you're reading. He suggests it as a way of hypnotizing a person against their will.

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:The next night they came in and started shouting at me, I woke up with a start and for some reason thought I could pretend to be asleep to "hide".
As I did this I got somehow trapped, where I was in a state not dissimilar to sleep paralysis, I couldn't move and could only hear what they were saying, and my own inner monologue, but wasn't directly in control of what I was saying or doing.

This may be a shock induction, or possibly a trigger installed the previous night.

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:It was horrific, he said some horrible things, kept interrogating me about stuff, and then told me to bark like a dog.
It was a horrible barrage of events and unfortunately it keeps happening. Its very difficult to remember, and is even more difficult considering I have no real control over this. I'm worried that eventually my subconscious will submit to what it is they want me to do....

The best thing to do is find somewhere else to sleep, but if you can't do that, perhaps recording yourself sleeping would give you evidence you could take to the police.

I believe there was a case in recent years where a woman believed that her hypnotist was having sex with her while she was hypnotized. She set her cell phone to record the next time she went to see him, and then took the recording to the police. The hypnotist is in jail now.
saladinsmith
Full Member
 
Posts: 133
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:46 am
Likes Received: 28

#4

Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:17 pm

Thank you. I did go to a hypnotist who told me it wasn't possible to do. He gave me an hour and a half session for $300 where he did nothing, didn't even put me in a trance, and just talked to me for the duration.

I suspect that the first hypnosis set the triggers and anchors. The rest is as you say a shock induction, whereby I am put into a space I cannot move out from and am completely submissive.

The issue is that these are a ring of nlp practitioners and hypnosis experts and all have a grudge against me as they're friends of my ex girlfriends.

It's a harrowing experience, and I went to the police, who referred me to a doctor, the doctor referred me to a mental health institute, who again told me this isn't possible and then proceeded to admit me on the grounds I was suffering from "delusions".... I'm glad you've mentioned that there is precedent to this case and the ability to actually do this sort of thing.

I wish I'd had this information sooner.
DirtyOldCar237
New Member
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:50 pm
Likes Received: 0

#5

Postby saladinsmith » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:46 pm

Yeah, a lot of professional hypnotists don't believe it can be done. This has been debated for over a century now. If you want to back up your case in an argument, or inform your lawyer or something, look up Sharron Tabarn, who died as a result of a stage hypnosis show. Articles about her will mention lesser cases where people were regressed longer-term than intended, or hypnotized into an addiction to eating onions like apples.

The book Antisocial or Criminal Acts and Hypnosis: A Case Study by Paul J. Reiter actually mentions several cases, the biggest one involving two murders. G.H. Estabrooks in Hypnotism also talks about hypnotizing people against their will.

If you're a US citizen, you can make a Freedom of Information Act request for the document with Mori ID #190691 -- it's a document about a CIA experiment where a girl was hypnotized to shoot a (unloaded -- but she didn't know that) gun at another girl. You can also find this document online, but it feels like it carries more weight when the government sends it to you.

Derren Brown also did a TV special called "Assassin", where he hypnotized a man to "assassinate" Stephen Fry.

Maybe this information will help to convince a hypnotist or a courtroom that it's possible. Good luck.
saladinsmith
Full Member
 
Posts: 133
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:46 am
Likes Received: 28

#6

Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:51 pm

They also tried to do a kundalini awakening on me to the sound of this song:

Vocaroo . Com / i / s0z0tPNLe38P

Does anyone know what it means?
They said something about me being a "fuzzy bunny"...
Last edited by DirtyOldCar237 on Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
DirtyOldCar237
New Member
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:50 pm
Likes Received: 0

#7

Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:54 pm

Sorry to post an external link.
It's just a fileshare site that let's you play the music they played to me while they were trying to do the fire of kundalini ceremony

It's real creepy.
It seems as though each "room" he sings about is a different chakra, and as he's "closing doors" "opening windows" etc it's channeling a pathway through your body to allow something to happen

Don't worry it has no effect if it's just listened to by mp3
DirtyOldCar237
New Member
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:50 pm
Likes Received: 0

#8

Postby Helen Joy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:10 pm

I'm of the belief that I CAN make someone do something they don't want to do.......but I WOULDN'T...that said I did make my Husband get off his bum and clean the windows using Hypnosis. Unethical perhaps? Nope just perks of the job!
I'm not being flippant about the OP who has clearly experienced something distressing. More needs to be understood about this topic, it's too easy to dismiss people as "delusional" when they report such events. They may well be delusional but surely we get to that diagnosis by ruling everything else out first.
Helen Joy
Junior Member
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:18 pm
Likes Received: 0

#9

Postby Roady » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:15 pm

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:If someone crushed your willpower, shamed you, and undermined you, is it possible to make people do something they don't want to with hypnosis?


The keyword is "to forgive" that persons.
That's the most powerful thing in the world.
That only shows what real love means.
Roady
Preferred Member
 
Posts: 452
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:21 pm
Likes Received: 28

#10

Postby Hypnoboy » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:00 pm

Roady wrote:
DirtyOldCar237 wrote:If someone crushed your willpower, shamed you, and undermined you, is it possible to make people do something they don't want to with hypnosis?


The keyword is "to forgive" that persons.
That's the most powerful thing in the world.
That only shows what real love means.


Dont you think it would only make people more gullible and supsceptible?

People / culprits mentioned in the OP have a sort of list of treats they search in people and if you want to oppose against them love and forgiving is not really a solution. You'd better beat 'em down and scare the HELL out of them.
Hypnosis is all about having someone do something against their will.
Hypnoboy
Preferred Member
 
Posts: 321
Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:43 pm
Likes Received: 1

#11

Postby MentallyMessedWith » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:56 pm

Wow, I can't believe a forum like this exists! I never thought there would be a place where people might believe me.
Let me first state that I have never believed in hypnotism, I thought stage hypnotism was all complete BS. I didn't think any part of it or even professional hypnotism was anything more than lies, that it would only work on very weak minded people who were only being tricked into believing it worked. I still do think it brings about as much false memory as it does actual buried memories and I think it has gotten people into legal trouble where there was no actual crime.
That being said, I was at one of these adult hypnotism shows where they supposedly make people do embarrassing things and they actually have some of them get fully nude on stage.
I was brought there by a female friend and her friends, both men and women I hardly knew. I'm male btw.
I was egged on stage by all of them but I kept insisting I didn't believe in it and it wasn't going to work on me (which I meant, I'm not going to do what I'm told to do, not going to act out anything. I'm very shy and would never do anything like that).
They had raised my hand forcefully and were all pointing at me. Since I had the attention of the whole room I reluctantly went up knowing I would just be returned to my seat after that "test" thing they usually do.
I decided to actually try though, I mean, I fully didn't believe one bit of it, I was certain it was fake, this would be proof to myself that it was if I really tried.
I'm listening to the ladies voice and she seems to be really concentrating on me more than the others. I didn't think much of this at the time.
I should explain that this is a small gathering of people in a room at someone's house. There were around 60 or so people watching this event and only 7 of us being hypnotised. They did have a little stage set up, I am guessing the lady brings it with her as I doubt it was part of the room normally. This lady adult hypnotist was brought in for a girl's birthday. She was also being hypnotised.
So I'm sure after all that being said you know what I'm going to say. I was hypnotised. I did stuff I would never normally do. I have little memory of it all as well like I was drunk. I mean, I did have a couple drinks but unless someone put something in one of my drinks, it wasn't enough for me to lose memory. I have thought that maybe that is what happened, maybe I was drugged, I'm uncertain.
All I know is that I was humiliated. There was video taken and it went viral. I found out later that the hypnotist was told I had cheated on my ex-bf and then spread nude pictures of her. The people there thought that about me but it's not true. I was hacked and my ex-gf's pics were stolen from me. I didn't even send them to anyone.
Then on top of all that, there were the post hypnotic suggestions. I vaguely remember her telling me them and thinking at the time "that will never actually work", but at least one of them has. It's very embarrassing, even to say here anonymously... I think it's just psychosomatic or whatever.. but every time I hear or think the word "boner", I get one!
Just typing this right now I'm now fully erect uncontrollably. I think it's just the idea of it or something that is making it happen but every time I hear someone say that or I think that word I get erect. It happens sometimes at very embarrassing moments.
I understand why this can't fix ED, as I don't have any physical reasons why I can't get one. At first I was thinking it would work for that but then I understood why it can't.
So I just wanted to say that I really believe in this stuff, at least while a person is drugged as might have been the case.
I never in a million years would think it would really work. Oh there was at least one other post hypnotic suggestion as she was asking the women there to give her suggestions for one but I do not clearly remember which one she actually did on me. I know she told them several times she couldn't do that. Like they wanted me to strip naked on command and stuff like that but she either couldn't make me do that or wouldn't make me do that.
Now I'm looking for a way to remove this suggestion from my mind so I will stop getting erections when I don't want them!
This is for real. It has been almost 4 years since this event and it is still troubling me.
Of course you would think how often does one hear the word "boner"? More often than you think. Making it worse is that it is usually a kid saying it and getting a boner around kids is both embarrassing and very frowned upon - putting it jokingly lightly.
So yeah, that's been my experience with hypnosis.
Oh also while I was looking for something that I might have been drugged with I ran across a substance called "Scopolamine" where a tiny bit can turn you into a mind controlled zombie. Since you can get a legal prescription for the stuff (it is sold as an anti-depressant in the US) would it be possible that they used that on me?? I mean, I still have a hard time believing that I was "hypnotised"..
MentallyMessedWith
New Member
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:23 pm
Likes Received: 0

#12

Postby Hypnoboy » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:25 pm

I suggest you gonna do some kickboxing or martial arts or so.
Hypnoboy
Preferred Member
 
Posts: 321
Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:43 pm
Likes Received: 1

#13

Postby jargan » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:05 am

MentallyMessedWith wrote:Let me first state that I have never believed in hypnotism, I thought stage hypnotism was all complete BS.

Quite understandable, the stories are a bit too fantastical, after all, aren't they? And stage hypnotists do tend to cheat a lot: firstly, they prefer to use people who respond particularly easily, and of course usually the volunteers are already generally willing to do the kinds of things the show is all about and just need a little help/excuse to actually do these things that happen in a show. (The lines blur between people who just act out a role on stage, and people for whom it feels a little more real.)

That said, hypnosis is definitely real and more importantly, it's not magic. All the things attributed to hypnosis are, ultimately, things that the human mind is capable of perfectly well on its own, and hypnosis is essentially about strategically nudging someone's mental focus in just the right way to facilitate that. Anyone who isn't too scatter-brained and able to fully go along with what-ifs and ideas will get results if they're willing to go along. So, usually it's a matter of cooperation before anything else. In your case, well, we'll probably never know if drugs were involved. All in all it doesn't matter at this point, I guess... what does matter is getting rid of these posthypnotic suggestions. In any case, it's safe to say what this hypnotist did was extremely unethical at the very least. It's puzzling that a hypnotist would do something like this based on hearsay, considering that being familiar with the principles of hypnosis she should know how little hearsay is worth. But I digress.

Getting rid of posthypnotic suggestions is simple, conceptually, but it may take some time and dedication. Any mental conditioning can be gotten rid of through the slow but steady power of attrition as long as you avoid certain mistakes. I'll talk you through it right now. You'll probably want to not read the rest until you have a few minutes of quiet and solitude.

Start out by recalling what trance felt like. You don't need to be accurate and it's okay for guesswork to be involved. The main purpose of this is to re-familiarize your mind with a mental state which works well for hypnosis, and also to create a mental distance from a normal state of being, to kind of hammer in you're doing something a little special. Take as long as you need. Ideally you'll start feeling a little trancey again, though this is not strictly necessary, the idea is what counts the most.

For the next bit, create a sense of the posthypnotic suggestions shaking themselves loose, getting weaker, disappearing, getting replaced by absolutely innocuous reactions (for instance, the word "boner" might begin to affect your toenails instead). You can do this in any way that is easy for you to conceptualize. Imagine or feel or experience or pretend or wonder, it doesn't matter. Just like it doesn't matter exactly how you're having the posthypnotic suggestions getting weaker or disappearing. The more powerfully you can create a mental experience of it, the better. Perhaps you find it easy to visualize things, or to hear things in your mind, or to feel it in your body, or just to fully consider a hypothetical scenario. Whatever works is best. Spend as much as ten to fifteen minutes, or less. There's no need to hurry, just like there's no need to keep at it for hours on end. It's just like normal learning: small units of repetition with enough time in between for it to sink in. I wouldn't recommend more than twice a day. In any case, when you're done, slowly reorient to the world around you, with a sensation of "waking up" or returning to normal consciousness. Some people use a count-up. Do whatever appeals to you.

Now, it's important to understand what the intention behind all this is. It's not to instantly replace those old suggestions. I mean, sure, it can happen that way, but there's no guarantee and it's perfectly normal for it to take longer. Instead, what you're doing is habituating your mind to a new pattern of operation in which the suggestions no longer exist. This is typically not an instant process, it can take a few days or weeks or months (if I had to pick a single interval I'd say 30 days, give or take, but of course there are exceptions in both directions). What's important is to not count too strongly on any quick progress, often the change happens "below the radar" and if you get discouraged during that stage, you'll never get to the point where maybe you suddenly realize the suggestions aren't quite doing their things the way they used to (believe it or not, these kinds of changes can be easy to miss at first).

Whenever you do still get the old mental (and, correspondingly, physiological) responses, remind yourself that you're working on it and that's all that needs to matter. The more you can focus on the "I'm getting rid of this" instead of the "it's still there", the easier it will be for your mind to start making the switch. Don't sweat it, though, if you find this tricky at first. You'll get there. Just have a little patience. After four years, what's a few more weeks? Or even months, perhaps. What's that compared to a lifetime?

With all that in mind, I wish you all the best!
jargan
MVP
MVP
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:56 am
Location: Germany
Likes Received: 31



  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to Hypnosis