Hypnotic mind control

Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:49 pm

If someone crushed your willpower, shamed you, and undermined you, is it possible to make people do something they don't want to with hypnosis?
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Postby saladinsmith » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:35 am

We don't know much apt brainwashing, because no civilized scientist would experiment with it. However, after the Korean War, a little less than five percent of US and UK soldiers who had been held captive in China opted to remain there, rather than return to their native countries, suggesting that brainwashing was effective in some cases, but nowhere near the majority.

There have also been at least four cases throughout history where it seems that a person was hypnotized into committing a crime. However, in several of those cases, the person resisted the most extreme suggestions, and if I recall correctly, in every case, the hypnotist got a substantial jail sentence.
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Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:09 pm

Okay. Well I've had some people doing strange hypnosis things to me.

I stayed round someone's house, and they came in while I was asleep and started talking to me. They sort of talked me through a dream.

The next night they came in and started shouting at me, I woke up with a start and for some reason thought I could pretend to be asleep to "hide".
As I did this I got somehow trapped, where I was in a state not dissimilar to sleep paralysis, I couldn't move and could only hear what they were saying, and my own inner monologue, but wasn't directly in control of what I was saying or doing.

It was horrific, he said some horrible things, kept interrogating me about stuff, and then told me to bark like a dog.
It was a horrible barrage of events and unfortunately it keeps happening. Its very difficult to remember, and is even more difficult considering I have no real control over this. I'm worried that eventually my subconscious will submit to what it is they want me to do....
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Postby saladinsmith » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:44 pm

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:they came in while I was asleep and started talking to me. They sort of talked me through a dream.

That sounds like a technique that G.H. Estabrooks mentions in his book, Hypnotism. It's either in Chapter 1 or Chapter 2, depending on which edition you're reading. He suggests it as a way of hypnotizing a person against their will.

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:The next night they came in and started shouting at me, I woke up with a start and for some reason thought I could pretend to be asleep to "hide".
As I did this I got somehow trapped, where I was in a state not dissimilar to sleep paralysis, I couldn't move and could only hear what they were saying, and my own inner monologue, but wasn't directly in control of what I was saying or doing.

This may be a shock induction, or possibly a trigger installed the previous night.

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:It was horrific, he said some horrible things, kept interrogating me about stuff, and then told me to bark like a dog.
It was a horrible barrage of events and unfortunately it keeps happening. Its very difficult to remember, and is even more difficult considering I have no real control over this. I'm worried that eventually my subconscious will submit to what it is they want me to do....

The best thing to do is find somewhere else to sleep, but if you can't do that, perhaps recording yourself sleeping would give you evidence you could take to the police.

I believe there was a case in recent years where a woman believed that her hypnotist was having sex with her while she was hypnotized. She set her cell phone to record the next time she went to see him, and then took the recording to the police. The hypnotist is in jail now.
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Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:17 pm

Thank you. I did go to a hypnotist who told me it wasn't possible to do. He gave me an hour and a half session for $300 where he did nothing, didn't even put me in a trance, and just talked to me for the duration.

I suspect that the first hypnosis set the triggers and anchors. The rest is as you say a shock induction, whereby I am put into a space I cannot move out from and am completely submissive.

The issue is that these are a ring of nlp practitioners and hypnosis experts and all have a grudge against me as they're friends of my ex girlfriends.

It's a harrowing experience, and I went to the police, who referred me to a doctor, the doctor referred me to a mental health institute, who again told me this isn't possible and then proceeded to admit me on the grounds I was suffering from "delusions".... I'm glad you've mentioned that there is precedent to this case and the ability to actually do this sort of thing.

I wish I'd had this information sooner.
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Postby saladinsmith » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:46 pm

Yeah, a lot of professional hypnotists don't believe it can be done. This has been debated for over a century now. If you want to back up your case in an argument, or inform your lawyer or something, look up Sharron Tabarn, who died as a result of a stage hypnosis show. Articles about her will mention lesser cases where people were regressed longer-term than intended, or hypnotized into an addiction to eating onions like apples.

The book Antisocial or Criminal Acts and Hypnosis: A Case Study by Paul J. Reiter actually mentions several cases, the biggest one involving two murders. G.H. Estabrooks in Hypnotism also talks about hypnotizing people against their will.

If you're a US citizen, you can make a Freedom of Information Act request for the document with Mori ID #190691 -- it's a document about a CIA experiment where a girl was hypnotized to shoot a (unloaded -- but she didn't know that) gun at another girl. You can also find this document online, but it feels like it carries more weight when the government sends it to you.

Derren Brown also did a TV special called "Assassin", where he hypnotized a man to "assassinate" Stephen Fry.

Maybe this information will help to convince a hypnotist or a courtroom that it's possible. Good luck.
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Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:51 pm

They also tried to do a kundalini awakening on me to the sound of this song:

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Does anyone know what it means?
They said something about me being a "fuzzy bunny"...
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Postby DirtyOldCar237 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:54 pm

Sorry to post an external link.
It's just a fileshare site that let's you play the music they played to me while they were trying to do the fire of kundalini ceremony

It's real creepy.
It seems as though each "room" he sings about is a different chakra, and as he's "closing doors" "opening windows" etc it's channeling a pathway through your body to allow something to happen

Don't worry it has no effect if it's just listened to by mp3
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Postby Helen Joy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:10 pm

I'm of the belief that I CAN make someone do something they don't want to do.......but I WOULDN'T...that said I did make my Husband get off his bum and clean the windows using Hypnosis. Unethical perhaps? Nope just perks of the job!
I'm not being flippant about the OP who has clearly experienced something distressing. More needs to be understood about this topic, it's too easy to dismiss people as "delusional" when they report such events. They may well be delusional but surely we get to that diagnosis by ruling everything else out first.
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Postby Roady » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:15 pm

DirtyOldCar237 wrote:If someone crushed your willpower, shamed you, and undermined you, is it possible to make people do something they don't want to with hypnosis?


The keyword is "to forgive" that persons.
That's the most powerful thing in the world.
That only shows what real love means.
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Postby Hypnoboy » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:00 pm

Roady wrote:
DirtyOldCar237 wrote:If someone crushed your willpower, shamed you, and undermined you, is it possible to make people do something they don't want to with hypnosis?


The keyword is "to forgive" that persons.
That's the most powerful thing in the world.
That only shows what real love means.


Dont you think it would only make people more gullible and supsceptible?

People / culprits mentioned in the OP have a sort of list of treats they search in people and if you want to oppose against them love and forgiving is not really a solution. You'd better beat 'em down and scare the HELL out of them.
Hypnosis is all about having someone do something against their will.
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