practical method to overcome addictions

Postby federico91 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:02 pm

It's very simple

if a person has an addiction to a drug .. what he needs is a psychiatrist

the person addicted to drugs .. is a person who medicates itself .. wants to be well .. but does not understand anything about neuroscience .. a psychiatrist .. is someone who knows about neuroscience .. and can prescribe to anyone ... a drug studied ... and in the right dose to avoid generating addiction ..

but usually .. people who take drugs .. develop as a feeling of rebellion against life, against society, against the rules .. are rebels .. unable to be humble .. are arrogant, proud, vain .. they believe that they can do everything, they think they are super independent ... they are unable to seek help, they believe that all their problems can be solved by themselves ...

if a person really wants to eliminate drug addiction. needs the help of a professional, a psychiatrist ...

sometimes there is an impediment .. the narcissism of a person when asking for help can be broken ... and for that, the person needs a little humility
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Postby George from UK » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:18 pm

Very thought provoking post. I can see you have thought about this subject. However I've heard that a good psychiatrist will not entertain an addict unless they are in a recovery program (usually 12 step program) with other addicts.

As far as i can tell the disease of a addiction can generally only be managed with the help of other recovering addicts, ironic as that may sound.

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Postby federico91 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:24 pm

Can a blind person guide a blind person? an addict can guide another addict? together they can deceive themselves and continue justifying their addiction .. they can continue .. entangled in victimization, lament, blaming others, society ..

for example, a drunk at a party .. who wants to ... stop drinking ... can another drunk help him to leave the school and forget the party? two drunks together will only be comforted, encouraged and encouraged to continue at the party ..

but hey ... if the person wants to make the recovery process difficult, he can assume that he needs 12 steps, he can invent a thousand step program if he wants, he can do it as complicated and difficult as possible to continue in the addiction.

freedom is for each person .. if the person is serious and really wants to recover ... he simply needs a psychiatrist ..

now there are deep causes to cling to addiction or illness .. a person .. a child for example when he gets sick .. receives more attention from his mother, from his father, receives gifts, care, nobody assaults him ..

Sometimes clinging to the disease or addiction is a defense mechanism that the person uses to avoid being attacked, to be cared for, to take advantage of others ... and to receive help, restraint, so that others are compassionate.

but if the person is healthy .. he has the whole world as a rival .. he needs to be responsible, mature .. he has to be independent .. he has to look for success, he has to make an effort .. and that is sometimes something that many times people prefer to avoid .. and that is why many times a person "gets sick" ... or becomes addicted to anything, to continue in a state of immaturity, to continue receiving help and blaming the world for the suffering and discomfort that occurs yes, it's a self-deception ... self-deception is the hardest drug to abandon
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Postby George from UK » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:32 pm

federico91 wrote:Can a blind person guide a blind person? an addict can guide another addict? together they can deceive themselves and continue justifying their addiction .. they can continue .. entangled in victimization, lament, blaming others, society ..

for example, a drunk at a party .. who wants to ... stop drinking ... can another drunk help him to leave the school and forget the party? two drunks together will only be comforted, encouraged and encouraged to continue at the party ..


That's why i said 'recovering addict' as apposed to an active one. In other words, a person who has first hand experience of the disease and a way of putting it into remission.
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Postby quietvoice » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:13 pm

federico91 wrote:they are unable to seek help, they believe that all their problems can be solved by themselves ...

As most of our problems are of our own doing, who else is going to solve them for us . . .

We live with the results of our actions or non-actions. Almost all of our problems are the result of our previous choices. One of the major decisions we make for our life is how to live every day. Most people make the choice of putting certain substances in their mouth multiple times per day every day of there lives. And there are consequences of doing so, major consequences. These consequences are staring everyone in the face, and yet most people ignore what they see, or won't bring themselves to connect the dots.

federico91 wrote:freedom is for each person .. if the person is serious and really wants to recover ... he simply needs a psychiatrist ..

Why do you think that a psychiatrist, who is someone who is authorized to prescribe psychiatric pharmaceutical drugs, is the only or preferred way to heal an addictive habit? Freedom comes from your own mind, from your own thinking, from your own world view, from the breaking free of your own limiting beliefs.

federico91 wrote:self-deception is the hardest drug to abandon

No doubt. And no person can overcome another person's self-deception. It's entirely an internal personal matter.
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Postby Bagobones » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:40 pm

federico91 wrote:It's very simple

if a person has an addiction to a drug .. what he needs is a psychiatrist

the person addicted to drugs .. is a person who medicates itself .. wants to be well .. but does not understand anything about neuroscience .. a psychiatrist .. is someone who knows about neuroscience .. and can prescribe to anyone ... a drug studied ... and in the right dose to avoid generating addiction ..

but usually .. people who take drugs .. develop as a feeling of rebellion against life, against society, against the rules .. are rebels .. unable to be humble .. are arrogant, proud, vain .. they believe that they can do everything, they think they are super independent ... they are unable to seek help, they believe that all their problems can be solved by themselves ...

if a person really wants to eliminate drug addiction. needs the help of a professional, a psychiatrist ...

sometimes there is an impediment .. the narcissism of a person when asking for help can be broken ... and for that, the person needs a little humility


Are you getting help for your own narcissism?

I mean, when you come out with the almighty solution to one of the worlds problems that has not been solved, and call it a very simple problem to solve? Everybody can see that you are very special. You must be up there with Jesus, Freud and leonardo da vinci..

Where do you put the party people that lost control? The ones that had a blast while creating their addiction, through parties, fun and trips to Colombia and Mexico. What are they self medicating against?

You should really come to my job and school the psychiatrists specializing in addiction there. My colleagues. The recreational drug users that lost control a bit is something they are struggling with. And they are, as George here points out, already in rehab or another program while seeing my colleagues.

You must be their missing link.

And as a former addict myself working in a office with psychiatrists, they are VERY easy to fool. And addicts, we are usually master manipulators...
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Postby federico91 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:50 pm

the addiction actually hides many deep problems ... in medicine ... sometimes the symptom is confused with the disease .. and sometimes it is mistakenly thought that if the symptom is eliminated, the disease will disappear ... an addiction .. it's really a symptom ..

It can be a little difficult to recognize .. but at the same time .. many people through drugs .. try to hide other symptoms ..


for example, no one likes to be afraid, sad ... and some people ... to be happy they choose any drug ... but in reality .. emotions ... they are not a problem that has to be eliminated .. emotions are to be understood .. otherwise .. if the person .. cancels their emotions can become a psychopath .. and obviously .. the fact of wanting to manipulate their own emotions .. that inevitably makes .. also later try Do the same with others ...

there is apparently in our human condition, a difficulty to accept our reality as it is, with suffering, with pain, with sadness, with fear, with jealousy, envy, greed, ambition

the narcissism is perhaps ... the greatest existential conflict of a person .. the ego ..

in the spiritual world .. there is an emphasis ... on knowing the true essence ... the ego .. is an appearance ... it is not the true essence ..

and the ego .. is a construction of ideas .. opinions .. and thanks to the ego many people develop a personality disorder .. we develop an inferiority complex that we try to hide and repress..and also a superiority complex that we try to highlight

sometimes we are childish .. we live by comparison .. if we compare ourselves with those we consider inferior, we feel superior .. if we compare ourselves with who we believe superior we feel inferior ..

but all comparison is absurd .. no one is superior to anyone ... no one is inferior to anyone .. basically we are all different .. unique ..

in nature there is no hierarchy of inferior or superior .. a rose .. has no personality disorders and is not being compared to a lotus flower ..

humans sometimes have many personality disorders because we live comparing, and trying to classify some characteristics as good, and others as bad, some characteristics as superior and others as inferior.


Adam and Eve .. were expelled from paradise by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil .. the tree of knowledge .. creates the ego in us human beings .. and with the ego .. we develop a false illusion of separation of the totality, of all humanity ... with the ego developed a state of competition and rivalry ... where we try to try to be superior..and we get frustrated if we feel inferior ..

it's an absurd game .. but we all play the same game ..

it is as if all human beings are actors .. that is our essence .. and we develop different roles and roles within society .. the ego in us arises when we identify with a role we play, with a character..and we want cling to that character that we like in all the scenes of life


it's stupid ... narcissism ... in part .. arises because of histrionics ... and the need to want to draw attention ... to always want to be the best, the most important ... is also related to the oedipal complex, and of electra ..

if a person is mature .. if he no longer needs the love of his father and his mother .. if he can reverse the situation and take care of his father and his mother .. he can mature .. and heal a bit the narcissism

only maturity cures the person of narcissism ... of the narcissistic wound and the narsistic anger ..

basically love ... love towards other people .. dissolves narisism .. altruism ..
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Postby Bagobones » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:03 am

federico91 wrote:basically love ... love towards other people .. dissolves narisism .. altruism ..


You have obviously read some Freud. Thats why I mentioned him to you before. And you dont know how to do two way communication, wich is very common with the dark triads humans. You did not manage to read what George wrote to you, but you just continued with your rambling about eeh, what really? Something you assumed he wrote? Or did you "feel" it was not nesecery to read it because your answer was endlessly more important?

The problem with this is that people with the dark triads of mental problems, can't understand what love is, like the rest of us. All the freud in the world will not help the dark triads people understand feelings like love or altruism for that matter...

This is the last time I answer you. Good luck to you. I mean that.
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Postby tokeless » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:52 am

federico91 wrote:It's very simple

if a person has an addiction to a drug .. what he needs is a psychiatrist

the person addicted to drugs .. is a person who medicates itself .. wants to be well .. but does not understand anything about neuroscience .. a psychiatrist .. is someone who knows about neuroscience .. and can prescribe to anyone ... a drug studied ... and in the right dose to avoid generating addiction ..

but usually .. people who take drugs .. develop as a feeling of rebellion against life, against society, against the rules .. are rebels .. unable to be humble .. are arrogant, proud, vain .. they believe that they can do everything, they think they are super independent ... they are unable to seek help, they believe that all their problems can be solved by themselves ...

if a person really wants to eliminate drug addiction. needs the help of a professional, a psychiatrist ...

sometimes there is an impediment .. the narcissism of a person when asking for help can be broken ... and for that, the person needs a little humility



There are so many sweeping generalisations here that a brush could have written it. As for a psychiatrist being the source of help, you have a very inflated view of them. I work and have worked with many.. Only a very few would I ask for help with my mind.
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