Hynotherapy session gone wrong, in need of help!

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Postby Realisingmygoals » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:06 pm

Come back and tell us how everything works out.

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will do

If I happen to come across anything that shouts “better alternative than hypnotherapy” I will let you know.


ok now your just being sarcastic. it was an actual request , because just saying ''seek elsewhere'' isnt a very clear alternative.

So.... hynotherapy makes your troubles worse, and your best idea is to have more hypnotherapy? :?



i get why you would say that, but automaticly assuming as a rule that the modality that caused the problem can not also fix it , is just weird reasoning.



When you accidently take bad medicine or the wrong medicine or you have an allergic reaction or something - you sometimes take other medicine to neutralise the effects. you wouldnt automaticly say i will never ever use any medicine again damnit! would you? and you would definatly not stop seeing medical doctors as a whole or stop going to hospitals when in need

Before i found my current acupuncturist i went to a guy that poorly performed acupuncture it messed me up and made me feel ill. it didnt go away by itself.

I found a much better competent practitioner - who pricked on al the main meridians to re-balance the entire system - it fixed it perfectly - and i felt better then i had in a longtime - it made me see what acupuncture could do and that it definatly wasnt a placebo or nonsense. i still go to that practitioner with very good results.

acupuncture de-regulated my nervous system and correct applied acupuncture was perfectly suited to correct the issue.

. Nor would I hand anyone else the responsibility for what I choose to have in my head.
this is just a little bit silly. i wouldnt do that either, wouldnt advice anyone to do that nor have i ever done that. with or without hypnotherapy


Exactly. And when even supporters of hypnosis say "this person isn't on the right track" is "a likely possibility", hypnotists are clearly best stayed away from.


i think he means if your gut feeling tells you this person isnt on the right track its a likely possibility that your right.
i dont get the conclusion that becuase of that hypnotherapist are best stayed away from.

Did you have a bad experience with hypnotherapy?




t’s not that hypnotherapy is necessarily worse, better, or best in comparison to alternatives. It is that the logic of using the same thing that caused the problem is counter intuitive.

But I get that you are already heavily invested in the idea of hypnotherapy. So you will pursue and pay and spend more time doubling down on the same path that caused the problem in the first place.

Fair enough. I wish you luck.



thanks man ( the wishing me luck part)

i can see that your not trolling and honestly giving well ment advice, so i appreciate it.

i get you as well, people will double down and will further drive down a path that holds no solution.
im not doing that, its a considered choice. my positve experiences with hypnosis and my training just tell me hypnotherapy is well suited to correct this issue. better then other modalities that i could think off. finding a proper hypnotherapist to assist me with it is another thing.


il report back my results
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Postby Candid » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:30 am

Realisingmygoals wrote:automaticly assuming as a rule that the modality that caused the problem can not also fix it , is just weird reasoning.


I can see it seems that way to you. You've self-hypnotised to believe hypnosis is the way to go, and you're therefore quick to throw out all evidence to the contrary. Turns out it made matters worse, but your prior belief is still operating.

What this means is that you're good at self-hypnosis. You could, if you wanted to, hypnotise yourself to believe in whatever else you want to be true. It's a head game.

When you accidently take bad medicine or the wrong medicine or you have an allergic reaction or something - you sometimes take other medicine to neutralise the effects.


I take a good long break from it, to give my metabolism a chance to get rid of it. There have been so many instances of this that I no longer believe in the doctors who immediately reach for their prescription pads. I prefer to use experience and intuition to decide what works for me and what doesn't.

Before i found my current acupuncturist i went to a guy that poorly performed acupuncture it messed me up and made me feel ill. it didnt go away by itself.

I found a much better competent practitioner - who pricked on al the main meridians to re-balance the entire system - it fixed it perfectly - and i felt better then i had in a longtime


This proves my point about self-hypnosis. Again, you had a bad experience of a 'healing' modality but your belief in it led you to have another go. You then concurred with the mumbo-jumbo of the second practitioner; the very fact that you turned up and were willing to pay predisposed you to believe she or he could stick needles in you and in that way "re-balance the entire system" and "de-regulate your nervous system" without any effort from you.

I put it to you that you know exactly why you feel ill, and that you'll go on believing in and looking for anyone who claims they have a magic wand to take away the need for lifestyle changes.

it definatly wasnt a placebo or nonsense. i still go to that practitioner with very good results.


That's a modern-day witchdoctor with a good, no-nonsense patter. What this person does is convince you to believe in something you already want to believe in -- and we know this because you made the appointment, showed up, and were willing to pay. Your subconscious does the rest, "re-balances your whole system", whatever that means. And because you believe in it, you feel better.

Candid wrote:Exactly. And when even supporters of hypnosis say "this person isn't on the right track" is "a likely possibility", hypnotists are clearly best stayed away from.


Realisingmygoals wrote:i think he means if your gut feeling tells you this person isnt on the right track its a likely possibility that your right.


Yes, that's what I'm trying to get across. It could be summed up as If you believe something, it's true (for you).

Did you have a bad experience with hypnotherapy?


No. I saw a hynotherapist for several months and we mostly talked. The one time she 'hypnotised' me was funny. She kept saying that whenever I wanted to get drunk, I would tell myself "I can have a drink any time I like, but I don't want one now". Each time she said it I realised I would pass a bottle shop on the way home, and that I'd get something to drink, which I hadn't been planning before.

I wasn't in any kind of altered state. Had she said the same thing to me without 'hypnotising' me it would have had the same effect.

my positve experiences with hypnosis and my training just tell me hypnotherapy is well suited to correct this issue.


I wouldn't attempt to dissuade you, only (for the benefit of other readers who don't have the money to gamble on therapies that may or may not work, and may or may not make things worse) repeat that If you believe something, it's true (for you). If you understand that, you can do all sorts of things.

Believing is often the hard part, but it's clear that at this stage you still have a lot of faith in hypnosis.
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Postby Realisingmygoals » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:28 pm

I can see it seems that way to you. You've self-hypnotised to believe hypnosis is the way to go, and you're therefore quick to throw out all evidence to the contrary. Turns out it made matters worse, but your prior belief is still operating.

What this means is that you're good at self-hypnosis. You could, if you wanted to, hypnotise yourself to believe in whatever else you want to be true. It's a head game.


no, this was about you finding it ridiculous to even try to solve a problem via the modality that created it - yet we can find plenty of examples of situations where problems created by a modality can be solved by means and where its even a good idea to do so within that same modality.. they exist in the world these examples - so the reasoning of automaticly finding that weird - is well, weird.

this isnt about hypnosis or my specific situation - this is about the reasoning that when something caused a problem its automatic means it cant solve it - witch is obviously false

its very possible it may not be best insome situatons and will be the best bet in others - the assumption that it automaticly cant is obviously false. that shouldnt be up for conversation


ere have been so many instances of this that I no longer believe in the doctors who immediately reach for their prescription pads
i totally agree with this. ive kinda lost faith as well

yeah i agree , ive kinda lost faith as well, however that has nothing to do with the context this example was provided in. that there are plenty of examples in witch doing so is a good idea.


This proves my point about self-hypnosis. Again, you had a bad experience of a 'healing' modality but your belief in it led you to have another go. You then concurred with the mumbo-jumbo of the second practitioner; the very fact that you turned up and were willing to pay predisposed you to believe she or he could stick needles in you and in that way "re-balance the entire system" and "de-regulate your nervous system" without any effort from you.

I put it to you that you know exactly why you feel ill, and that you'll go on believing in and looking for anyone who claims they have a magic wand to take away the need for lifestyle changes.


not really, i got forced against my will. having had powerfull experiences in hypnosis . plus the explanation behind acupuncture sounding to me back then as complete fantasy. i tought it was absolute mumbo jumbo and convinced it was at best placebo.
i had zero belief it would do anything and didnt want to do it.
and even when i got sick i didnt think it was the acupuncure.
but being that sick lying on that table feeling strong physiological changes and beginning to feel changes even a minute after lying on the table i still denied it.
but having huge change the next day is what made me believe.

so no i dont think it was placebo,

the explanation of it and me saying hes a much better practitioner - is me years later looking back, and knowing more about their explanation moddels.


but the evidence base for it is very weak currentyl . so theres no way of knowing for sure untill they do. in the meantime il keep on believing.

That's a modern-day witchdoctor with a good, no-nonsense patter. What this person does is convince you to believe in something you already want to believe in -- and we know this because you made the appointment, showed up, and were willing to pay. Your subconscious does the rest, "re-balances your whole system", whatever that means. And because you believe in it, you feel better.
yeah again, that used to be my word for word explanation and ive sold it to many people.
however i didnt make the appointment, i didnt want to go, i tought it was the stupidest thing ever, and i actively wanted it to do nothing, just to prove her she should stop being fooled by ridiculous quackery
yet it had profound effects, agaisnt my will!

so no, i definatly no longer think its jsut placebo

but hey who knows. il take it either way. and will continue to increase my belief in it for better and better results. if anything has a good ritual to sell the placebo its acupuncture

No. I saw a hynotherapist for several months and we mostly talked. The one time she 'hypnotised' me was funny. She kept saying that whenever I wanted to get drunk, I would tell myself "I can have a drink any time I like, but I don't want one now". Each time she said it I realised I would pass a bottle shop on the way home, and that I'd get something to drink, which I hadn't been planning before.

I wasn't in any kind of altered state. Had she said the same thing to me without 'hypnotising' me it would have had the same effect.
ok and did this make you come to conclusion it wasnt helpfull?

I wouldn't attempt to dissuade you, only (for the benefit of other readers who don't have the money to gamble on therapies that may or may not work, and may or may not make things worse) repeat that If you believe something, it's true (for you). If you understand that, you can do all sorts of things.

Believing is often the hard part, but it's clear that at this stage you still have a lot of faith in hypnosis.



yeah well thats definatly true - Belief is one of the most powerfull mechanisms you can wield to affect change.
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Postby Candid » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:24 pm

Realisingmygoals wrote: ok and did this make you come to conclusion it wasnt helpfull?


No, I knew that before.

Anyway, seems you want to continue with hypnotherapy. I hope it goes well for you.
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Postby Realisingmygoals » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:34 pm

Thank you, And thanks for responding
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