A Few Words On Censorship

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Postby quietvoice » Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:36 am

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quietvoice wrote:Qualified by a corrupt system. Qualified by a system that keeps many secrets. Secrets that are not allowed to be talked about in polite company.

Wow, you are seriously paranoid if you actually believe your doctor or any doctor is part of your conspiracy. Do you think your own doctor is in on it? Listen to yourself and ask who isn't in on it.

In the context of "highly qualified doctors" to davidbanner. In on what? When I speak of secrets, what I'm saying, in an offhand way, is that they are not allowed to look at the body as a whole. The body is just a bunch of parts that can be fixed with chemicals-burning-cutting in their eyes. But that never ever fixes the root problem, and people continue to be sick, and now with additional hurdles to overcome should they find that health is 180 degrees in the other direction. Allopathy vs Naturopathy. Germ Theory vs Terrain Theory.

The problem is that they were taught the wrong modality for life. This goes back for some generations; of course, you'd have to go off the mainstream media bandwagon to find this out for yourself.



tokeless wrote: The media don't create doctors, they create news and they are two completely different things.

Don't know what that is supposed to mean or refer to.

tokeless wrote: The media . . . , they create news

Most absolutely, they create news. As opposed to reporting news. Nice one.
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Postby tokeless » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:33 am

Regarding the doctors, I thought you were referring to doctors per se, which leads me to ask you. Do you think your own doctor is part of this machine to get you to have the vaccine? I assume he or she would be advising that people get vaccinated. Are they in on it or do they just look at the science and evidence that vaccines can be effective in this situation? Would you give up your job if told you needed it to do your work? As a health professional I have to have it. If I want to resume my life travelling I will need it, just like yellow fever, typhoid etc... how far would you go qv, what would you sacrifice for your belief that these mystery people are trying to kill you/us off? What's your price?
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:43 am

tokeless,
What doctor? Not that you have to pay any attention to my other posts whatsoever, If you did pay attention to them, you'd see that I recommend Robert Morse ND and John Rose regularly, not so much lately, but definitely much more in the past. That is the lifestyle I choose to follow. What is a doctor to do for me in such a case and with such an ideology?

If I mention that allopathy follows the wrong ideology, then I claim to have my own allopathic doctor . . .

P.S. I drew my line at facial diapers. And I knew it was about tyranny, etc. at the beginning, anyway.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:14 pm

So far as psychology goes, it was a major science from the 1920s and tapering off by the 1970s perhaps. If you look at analysis of hysteria by those analysts, you will see the Covid
phenomenon would have been recognised back then as hysteria. Hysteria also shows physical symptoms, rashes, hyperventilation and so on. Dilated pupils I also noticed when crowds were buying toilet rolls in shops. The virus itself must be real but has been exaggerated I think.
Now we have internet hysteria can have greater inpact as social fear spreads.
Much of the hard-core conspiracy borders on (or is) Paraphrenia. This involves a strong conviction of some intricate plot very often involving Freemasons, Jews, Communists or Men In Black. Occasionally I met people who lost all grasp of reality. One truly believed all the Donald Trump protesters at the White House were undercover police. The idea was to entice an uprising and machine gun all other protesters. The idea Trump supporters were what they appeared to be wasn't a factor.
It's healthy to be suspicious and to consider propaganda manipulation but sometimes all reality is lost and so-called delusional ideas are just accepted, without looking at tbe whole context.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:20 pm

"Kraepelin divided the paraphrenia into: systematic, expansive, confabulatory and fantastic. According to Caixeta et al, the diagnostic criteria for paraphrenia are:

Concern with one or more systematized delusions;

Relatively affection and personality well-preserved;

Intellectual decline, visual hallucinations, incoherence, disorganized behavior are not present;

Understandability of behavior change (related to delusions);

Absence of organic brain disorder.
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n literature, considering aging paraphrenia is a poorly discussed subject, even though it is included in DSM-5 with another terminology (“Delusional Disorder”)5 and appears in case studies such as “paraphrenia” and “late-onset paraphrenia”.7,10,11 It was verified in the literature that the case is considered paraphrenia when there is presence of a strong component of illusion well detailed, with relative preservation on the personality and cognitive functions, affects with more incidence with women, around 60 years old. It differs from dementia syndromes because it does not show an evident decline in cognitive and daily life functions11 and it differs from the classic schizophrenia syndrome because symptoms do not appear in early adulthood, as described in DSM. "
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Postby Candid » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:13 am

tokeless wrote:I have actually read the research and the various clinical trials and I did this a critical eye. I came to the conclusion that it was as safe as any other vaccine...

Except that this one isn't a vaccine. How can you believe it'd been long-term tested when it was available within months of the unicorn virus start-up?

I suggest you take a look at government sites for reporting jab injuries and deaths, VAERS in the US https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html and Yellow Card in the UK https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -reporting.

Also https://www.newswars.com/former-pfizer- ... our-death/

This has become kinda my hobby now and I have more than a dozen pages of links about deaths, amputations, blood clots and strokes in previously healthy people who fell for the mainstream "news", known to all "theorists" as propaganda.

Consider who has more to gain or lose from mandated injections: pharmaceutical companies, or doctors whose warnings are removed/censored?
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Postby Candid » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:20 am

tokeless wrote:Who are the masterminds in all this and what is their motive?

Depopulation, transhumanism https://europeanacademyofreligionandsoc ... an-future/, and the transferral of wealth from the masses to the few.

Have a look at the recent activities of Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.
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Postby Candid » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:22 am

tokeless wrote: back it up qv.

Sending you a PM, tokeless.
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Postby tokeless » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:59 pm

Candid wrote:
tokeless wrote: back it up qv.

Sending you a PM, tokeless.



Hi, got your message Candid, but couldn't reply due to error message. I don't use that or any social media platform really.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:39 pm

Conspiracy has been with us for decades. It feeds off a latent drive to make sense of global events and conspiracy leaders operate often the same way cult leaders have done in the past. They offer an explanation of some plan put forward by a group of controllers who themselves seem to have all the answers, yet never deliver.

The main question you should ask is how do the conspirators know that their plan will succeed? As stated, when there was intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, conspiracy theorists were openly connecting it to the usual New World Order. Presumably the plot was based on the illuminati taking control of Middle East oil and, in this way, controlling the world. Now, the illuminati are trying the vaccine angle instead. It's mind boggling.

In many ways, the conspiracy leaders cover a large terrain. This ranges from crashed UFOs in Roswell to abductions. My question is why are the illuminati always represented by American academics or, indeed, focused on Bill Gates and his "Windows". Why are most abductees American?

"A hypnotherapist I heard on the radio estimates that from 15 to 30 percent of Americans have, at one time or another, been taken aboard a flying saucer, though only a fraction of them know it. Now, I think that’s downright disgusting. Here I spend half my youth wanting to get picked up by aliens, and the space brothers (or sisters, or whatever) totally ignore me. Instead they come along and grab folks who are incapable of even remembering what happened until some shady mesmerist gets ahold of them. This definitely is not fair!"
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:52 pm

"The notion of shape-shifting, blood-sucking reptilian humanoids invading Earth to control the human race sounds like a cheesy sci-fi plot.

Many are scratching their heads. Why are people embracing such bizarre ideas?

The notion of shape-shifting, blood-sucking reptilian humanoids invading Earth to control the human race sounds like a cheesy sci-fi plot. But it's actually a very old trope with disturbing links to anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic hostilities dating to the 19th century.

Bonkers? Sure. Harmless? Definitely not.

Icke would have you believe that a race of reptilian beings not only invaded Earth, but that it also created a genetically modified lizard-human hybrid race called the "Babylonian Brotherhood," which, he maintains, is busy plotting a worldwide fascist state. This sinister cabal of global reptilian elites boasts a membership list including former President Barack Obama, Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and Mick Jagger.

The outlandish trope has roots in the second half of the 19th century, when the Industrial Revolution, Darwin's theory of evolution and rapid scientific advances upended time-honored traditional ways of life, leaving people unsettled and unsure what to believe. It emerged more strongly toward the end of the century, when anxieties about perceived outsiders, especially Jewish ones, were fueled by waves of immigrants flooding urban centers in Great Britain and the United States in search of economic prosperity and religious freedom. The tide of immigrants ignited cultural conflicts, as well as health and sanitation crises, in cities that lacked adequate infrastructure for the millions of arrivals.

Amid this tumult, a colorful array of gurus and charismatic figures arrived on the scene claiming secret knowledge of world affairs and answers to burning questions.

Blood-sucking, as Stephanie Winkler observes, is a common metaphor for greed, a trait often linked to Anglo-Jews associated with banking and stock trading. This coupling of Jewishness and greedy blood-sucking gained momentum as wealthy British Jews — such as banker Baron Lionel de Rothschild, who was admitted to the House of Commons in 1858 — gained influence in society. Eventually, paranoia that Jews, through their financial power and connections to royalty, would seize the opportunity to take over an empire facing ever more complex challenges helped drive the mounting anti-Semitism.

Does any of this sound familiar? It should, because today's internet postings by conspiracy theorists often carry traces of just the sort of anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic tensions that show up in history whenever segments of the population feel betrayed by elites and fear loss of their own social and economic status. "
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Postby tokeless » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:33 am

davidbanner99@ wrote:Conspiracy has been with us for decades. It feeds off a latent drive to make sense of global events and conspiracy leaders operate often the same way cult leaders have done in the past. They offer an explanation of some plan put forward by a group of controllers who themselves seem to have all the answers, yet never deliver.

The main question you should ask is how do the conspirators know that their plan will succeed? As stated, when there was intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, conspiracy theorists were openly connecting it to the usual New World Order. Presumably the plot was based on the illuminati taking control of Middle East oil and, in this way, controlling the world. Now, the illuminati are trying the vaccine angle instead. It's mind boggling.

In many ways, the conspiracy leaders cover a large terrain. This ranges from crashed UFOs in Roswell to abductions. My question is why are the illuminati always represented by American academics or, indeed, focused on Bill Gates and his "Windows". Why are most abductees American?

"A hypnotherapist I heard on the radio estimates that from 15 to 30 percent of Americans have, at one time or another, been taken aboard a flying saucer, though only a fraction of them know it. Now, I think that’s downright disgusting. Here I spend half my youth wanting to get picked up by aliens, and the space brothers (or sisters, or whatever) totally ignore me. Instead they come along and grab folks who are incapable of even remembering what happened until some shady mesmerist gets ahold of them. This definitely is not fair!"


They share similarities with established religions in that respect. How many ultra religious people believe God speaks to them, guides them. How many believe God has visited us in human form as Jesus? Interestingly they are not scorned as being delusional. We build temples to them, we adorn buildings with their symbols. Why God even game them a land.... What I find mad, is why when people ask their God for something, such as save a life, the answers no. Religion in my opinion is the closest thing we have to a delusion outside of psychiatry but we accept it and have it's influence over us, whether we believe it or not.
Lastly, you keep referring to conspiracy as some great plan... it doesn't have to be. Geopolitical actions by powerful countries over other countries are often based on facts.... they hide behind creating the conspiracy themselves... an example of this is UFO's.
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Postby Candid » Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:05 am

tokeless wrote:What I find mad, is why when people ask their God for something, such as save a life, the answers no. Religion in my opinion is the closest thing we have to a delusion outside of psychiatry but we accept it and have it's influence over us, whether we believe it or not.

I agree. I'm all for invisible friends, but only if they're friendly and do as I ask. I certainly wouldn't entertain one that judged me constantly and said I would burn forever in an everlasting fire if I didn't lift my game!

davidbanner99@ wrote:The outlandish trope has roots in the second half of the 19th century, when the Industrial Revolution, Darwin's theory of evolution and rapid scientific advances upended time-honored traditional ways of life...

Whoa! Have you got an issue with Darwin??!!?? I see evolution everywhere I look, churning over with neither remorse nor restraint. It never stops, never will. Occasionally it takes a giant leap, which I see happening now. The technological revolution is unstoppable and its effects on human beings is—to my way of thinking—catastrophic. Blood-sucking greed on the part of Some People has led to a horror story BUT...
But would I myself say "no, that's not for me" if I had Their power? After all, my beef is "only" because at my advanced age I don't expect to survive it, and I'd like to see how it plays out.

A thinking dinosaur would have felt the same way. But what an amazing time to be alive!
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Postby quietvoice » Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:19 pm

tokeless wrote:Religion in my opinion is the closest thing we have to a delusion outside of psychiatry but we accept it and have it's influence over us, whether we believe it or not.

And the supreme religion being . . . The Most Dangerous Superstition (pdf).
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:21 pm

On UFO conspiracy, the most basic flaw: Conspiracy theorists simply assume saucers just have to crash in the USA and not Peru or Ecuador. The much vaunted cover-up data must, of course, be hidden by NASA because presumably the saucer occupants seem to take the view that's the only database.
Always wise to ask probing questions. Once I did just that the conspiracy theorists panicked and removed my counter arguments.
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