A Few Words On Censorship

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Postby tokeless » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:14 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote:On UFO conspiracy, the most basic flaw: Conspiracy theorists simply assume saucers just have to crash in the USA and not Peru or Ecuador. The much vaunted cover-up data must, of course, be hidden by NASA because presumably the saucer occupants seem to take the view that's the only database.
Always wise to ask probing questions. Once I did just that the conspiracy theorists panicked and removed my counter arguments.


I agree with the view that every unusual event seems to happen in the USA, so it misrepresents the phenomenon. However the US exploited this for decades and used it to cover up covert activities such as test flights of secret technology. They spied over Russia for years and if anything was spotted it was marked as a UFO and they encouraged people to report such incidents. As for alien life, there has to be another because space is unending and the arrogance to believe we can be the only life is typical of humans. We always assume its advanced or more superior, when it could be that they don't know of our existence or are not able to find us or other life. I guess if the US control the narrative they control the reality we hear of. If you look at 9/11 it was so spectacular and reported as such, it couldn't be planned or any other reality. The truth was never sought and the official report made sure of that. The way it was reported defies logic and couldn't have happened as told. There are hundreds of people from emergency workers to scientists who have tried to expose the lies, but are then accused of wearing tin foil hats
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:59 pm

tokeless wrote:
davidbanner99@ wrote:On UFO conspiracy, the most basic flaw: Conspiracy theorists simply assume saucers just have to crash in the USA and not Peru or Ecuador. The much vaunted cover-up data must, of course, be hidden by NASA because presumably the saucer occupants seem to take the view that's the only database.
Always wise to ask probing questions. Once I did just that the conspiracy theorists panicked and removed my counter arguments.


I agree with the view that every unusual event seems to happen in the USA, so it misrepresents the phenomenon. However the US exploited this for decades and used it to cover up covert activities such as test flights of secret technology. They spied over Russia for years and if anything was spotted it was marked as a UFO and they encouraged people to report such incidents. As for alien life, there has to be another because space is unending and the arrogance to believe we can be the only life is typical of humans. We always assume its advanced or more superior, when it could be that they don't know of our existence or are not able to find us or other life. I guess if the US control the narrative they control the reality we hear of. If you look at 9/11 it was so spectacular and reported as such, it couldn't be planned or any other reality. The truth was never sought and the official report made sure of that. The way it was reported defies logic and couldn't have happened as told. There are hundreds of people from emergency workers to scientists who have tried to expose the lies, but are then accused of wearing tin foil hats


You may well find almost all the sources for the so-called "Reset" ideology come from questionable American academics. It seems to happen every time a global crisis takes place. What you get is a resulting "pack mentality" reaction where the masses swallow the whole "theory", hook line and sinker. The people I foolishly believed were on the same wavelength as myself turned out to be plain misled in so many ways. And that makes sincere opposition to State vaccine programs problematic. For me, deciding on issues regarding health must be kept aside from charismatic opportunists who peddle information, only to promote an agenda. That is, you can latch onto a cause and use that cause to reflect a stand for liberty and freedom. Yet, the truth I found is the theorists don't tend to believe in free expression at all. That was the big revelation for me. Even though I agree people such as David Icke should (within reason) be free to express themselves on Social Media, these groups themselves are happy to remove views that challenge their own. That to me is hypocritical. It taught me Jiddu Krishnamurti was correct when he stated not to look to groups or systems to solve problems.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:15 pm

In the 1990s an amateur East German pilot managed to land his plane bang in Red Square Moscow. It was a stunt to promote more reform. Given the Russian mentality is very real and down-to-earth, the press made no reference to a conspiracy. Security had been plain dismal. Gorbachev sacked key air defence staff. These things happen, I think. 9/11 was pretty much down to lax security. Let me give a real example: When the FBI years ago decided to raid the Branch Davidian cult ranch in Waco Texas, security was so lax that the cult found out a raid was soon to come. Several FBI were shot in a bungled operation. Conspiracy always tells you, "This was all part of the plan" but sense of reality is lost. Neither was Chernobyl a planned event, regulated by some particular group.
I'm still awaiting this New World Order but to date the proverbial illuminati seem to be not so organized.
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Postby tokeless » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:55 pm

David... it wasn't lax security that switched off all the cameras on the most secure structure on earth. It wasn't lax security that staged an exercise on hijacked airliners on the same day this happens, especially when the security services were warned in advance of a plot to use airliners to exactly to do what the exercise was about. It wasn't lax security that made Bush look like a clown, sitting in front of children, reading a book that was upside down, then looking stunned when he was told of the event.... he stayed in his chair. It wasn't lax security that people with box cutters, not just being allowed on planes after going through metal scanners before boarding but then managing to break in to the cockpit.... because they had box cutters? I mean if your going to enable the attack, at least look like you weren't ignoring the threat. Why didn't they agree to another impartial enquiry? Bush stated "I don't do enquires, I just don't ".... you just got attacked and if it was lax security, you would insist on it wouldn't you? Many organisations have asked for one, campaigned for them... ignored. Why would you?
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Postby quietvoice » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:11 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote: Even though I agree people . . . should (within reason) be free to express themselves on Social Media, these groups themselves are happy to remove views that challenge their own. That to me is hypocritical.


Question, when you join the groups that you join, are there terms of which the groups ask you to be aware and to follow?

Have you considered that a group of individuals may want to self-select themselves to discuss a topic or subject among themselves within their group without being bogged down by dealing with neophytes on the topic, or outright adversaries, or shills?

Have you considered that a group within the "social media" arena is one of a great many groups, where you can likely find a group within which to freely share your ideas?

Do you seriously believe that any and all groups within the whole have to take in all comers with tolerance for all of their behaviors?
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:23 pm

You can go by overall context. Gary Mckinnon accessed NASA files using basic hacker methods. His search for UFOs exposed a very flawed security system. Gary fought extradition which was based on the outrage felt by such a failure in security.No, 9/11 was no "one off". Neither was the Soyuz or Apollo lunar mission.
We live in a world where all reality is rejected by Conspiracy that operates as a kind of religion. The most obvious explanations are substituted by the master plan. "They" are behind it all. "They" have control of all events. Textbook Paraphrenia as described by Freud.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:39 pm

To come out of conspiracy, an understanding of cults is helpful. The processing is somewhat similar to cults. Look deeply and logically at the overall context of the actual conspiracy and you find major gaps in logic. In Paraphrenia there is always the mysterious "they" who control populations as helpless puppets. It's assumed always that "they" somehow know what they're doing so we're helpless to resist. The presumption that "they" are Jewish goes back to Paraphrenia case histories I have from the 1940s. Sometimes the hidden controllers are plain Men In Black with pasty faces or even greys. All of these conspiracy ideas have been outlined by Freud and Jung or others. I guess Paraphrenia is caused by deep insecurities and exogenic factors (internet conspiracy groups)
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:12 pm

Randomly searching for "paraphrenia" and "conspiracy" on Google, this site popped up, amongst one or two others that address Paraphrenia. Probably not many people have heard of it. Lately, we are so influenced by cult figures and da vinci code influence in movies, Paraphrenia is not viewed as that "abnormal". Take Whitney Streiber who wrote the book Communion. When I was younger I read these books and actually swallowed the line Whitney had been abducted by "visitors". I can now see Whitney was suffering from sleep paralysis and was likewise a creative personality. He gained some celebrity status and a film was produced. In Paraphrenia, the narratives are structurally put forward in a convincing way so many normal people become persuaded. The stress and social hysteria around the lockdown created a background for paraphrenic conspiracy to seem plausible. Seeming genuine academics plausibly offer "evidence" that "they" are in control "somewhere", making sure the populations don't get out of control. Each time a major global error in policy is ventured upon, we hear the cries of "It's all planned". This even persuades the masses not to protest or get involved in political events as the message in conspiracy is, it's all futile. Thus, the very negative aspect of Paraphrenia. The alternative is to face up to the real world as it is and try to make life better.
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Postby Candid » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:27 am

I'd wait till the coronahoax is over if I were you. Then you'll know how things stand in"the real world".
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Postby quietvoice » Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:53 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote:The alternative is to face up to the real world as it is and try to make life better.

Yeah, the Real World of Fake Money.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Health.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Authority.

And, an all-time favorite . . .

the Real World of Fake News.
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Postby quietvoice » Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:45 pm

quietvoice wrote:
davidbanner99@ wrote:The alternative is to face up to the real world as it is and try to make life better.

Yeah, the Real World of Fake Money.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Health.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Authority.

And, an all-time favorite . . .

the Real World of Fake News.


And I forgot to mention . . . .

The Real World of Fake Weather

(man modifies the weather for good and evil; evil weather modification is ramped up in today's world—check it out(!!)—undeclared war on the world's general population.)
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Postby tokeless » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:37 pm

Yeah, the Real World of Fake Money.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Health.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Authority.

And, an all-time favorite . . .

the Real World of Fake News.[/quote]

And I forgot to mention . . . .

The Real World of Fake Weather

(man modifies the weather for good and evil; evil weather modification is ramped up in today's world—check it out(!!)—undeclared war on the world's general population.)[/quote]

Fear, fear everywhere.... what do you trust qv? What isn't fake? Maybe the sights you read are created by 'them' to give you fake confidence? Maybe your a Russian bot?
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Postby tokeless » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:40 pm

Yeah, the Real World of Fake Money.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Health.
Yeah, the Real World of Fake Authority.

And, an all-time favorite . . .

the Real World of Fake News.[/quote]

And I forgot to mention . . . .

The Real World of Fake Weather

(man modifies the weather for good and evil; evil weather modification is ramped up in today's world—check it out(!!)—undeclared war on the world's general population.)[/quote]

Fear, fear everywhere.... what do you trust qv? What isn't fake? Maybe the sights you read are created by 'them' to give you fake confidence? Maybe your a Russian bot?
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Postby quietvoice » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:45 pm

tokeless wrote:Fear, fear everywhere....

Just stating facts, my dear.
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