Violent Anger at Triviality

Postby Taurnufuin » Sun May 21, 2017 10:38 pm

Hello. I will try to keep this brief. 23 years old, male. I suffer from extreme anger. I have a rather serious disposition most of the time and even if I am not particularly depressed or worried, a single trivial thing can send me into an almost animal-like rage. I have a tendency to over react to certain issues and I can remember instances as I child when I would thrash around on my bed and break things over the most trivial and nonsensical things. If the issue happens to be particularly important and means a lot to me, then I can become extremely angry. However, the reason I decided to sign up to this form is that I just repeatedly battered my fists into the head board of my bed and growled with fury, all because I accidentally sent a handful of items to the wrong address. It almost sounds comical, but I am not good at dealing with shattered expectations (of any kind) and particularly dislike disorder and inconvenience. This of course is a trivial matter. I know it's trivial. What is not trivial is the way I respond to things like this. I often keep tools in my room as I used to do wood carving. I have on more than one occasion picked up my hatchet in a blind rage. Throughout my life I find that I have responded to situations in the least positive ways possible. Everything is always angry and difficult.I could give many, many more examples, but suffice it to say I am plagued by anger. I realise it is natural to get angry at things, but I seem to be controlled by something far more worrying. I am not a very happy person to begin with, so that does not help.

What can I do to fix this?
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sun May 21, 2017 10:46 pm

Taurnufuin wrote:What can I do to fix this?


That's just it, what other ways are there? What other ways have you tried? What ways did parents or others teach you?
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Postby Taurnufuin » Sun May 21, 2017 10:53 pm

I've tried things like counting backwards and breathing exercises, even told myself that I will become a calm person many times and tried to change my mindset. I even started running to relieve stress. None of that has helped. I feel like it's a part of me to be angry all the time.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sun May 21, 2017 11:21 pm

How about working on the underlying low self esteem? Anger over trivial issues comes from frustration which is based in irrational fears about imagined consequences that don't materialize.
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Postby Candid » Mon May 22, 2017 5:08 am

Figure out what you're really angry about and get back to us.
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Postby Taurnufuin » Mon May 22, 2017 9:42 am

Why do I detect an air of hostility on this forum?
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Postby Candid » Mon May 22, 2017 10:31 am

At a guess, because you "suffer from extreme anger". When that's the case, anything or nothing can trigger your irritability. The hostility is inside you and you project it onto others.

I suggested you figure out what you're really angry about, because simply lashing out at anyone who responds to you isn't going to help.
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon May 22, 2017 10:59 am

Dear Taurnufuan,

Welcome to the forum.

Yes, I believe the others are not evaluating you as correctly as they should. There is Ordinary Anger -- the Anger of Bad Behavioral Habits and an overindulgence in Negative Thinking. But there is Anger that goes WAY Beyond that. the Sure Sign that the Anger is at that Higher Level is that it consistently surprises the Angry Person who, even while going through the Anger can see not the slightest reason for it. The anger has a Life of its own.

I am a Great Believer in Cognitive Behavior Therapy, but sometimes you Just Have to Suspect some Neuro-Chemical Imbalance -- some Adrenal Gland isn't working right or something.

there was a Post a while back written by a Poster who had Extreme Criminal Rage and found out that all he needed was a pill the size of a dot, every couple of days, ... here let me Cut and Paste it:
potatank wrote:New here obviously. Ill cut right to it, angry people dont like to read long posts.
Im bipolar/antisocial personality disorder. I have a history of depression/panic/anxiety which I worked extremely hard to get in check and have been successful at that for many years now.
but this is about anger
I have a longggggggggg history of anger/impulsivity. 6 trips to jail, all for assault and 21 total charges, 18 for assault. I have been free of charges since 06 but still had an existing anger/irritated all the time issue. I hated people and hated going in public. I wanted to smash peoples heads in all the time. Im 50 now, and was still this angry.

2 months ago my shrink put me on Risperidone. I take the absolute minimum dose .25 (yes point 25) mg twice per day. Thats as low as it can go. My gawd this medication has changed my life like nothing else. I cannot physically or mentally get mad anymore. Not a single time since the 5th day of this medication have I even had a twinge of anger or irritability. I cannot overstate how well it is working. I actually have to adjust to it because it is such a drastic change after so many years of being miserable. Im social, I enjoy each day, things that made me mad do not anymore. People dont aggravate me. I simply cannot get over how well it has worked, and I hope it keeps up.

I dont know if anyone else on here has tried this med, Im just relaying my experience with it. Also, I have not drank alcohol in 23 years and never do drugs or smoke, so I have no outside chemical infulences counteracting my medication

Leo Volont wrote:Wow!

Risperidone!

I looked it up... and the Stuff really has no significant Side Effects.

And Mr. Potatank Loves It! And, really, His Story is almost like a Horror Story of Out of Control Rage and Anger, and NOW, look how he describes himself. It seems to be a kind of Miracle Drug for Anger!

Oh, I should ask him -- Mr. Potatank, is there ANYTHING that you can criticize about Risperidone? Does it make you sleepy, or does it affect your ability to concentrate... That kind of Thing.

You know, I think that I have done a great deal in Learning to Manage my Anger, BUT if Risperidone is really That Effective and Really has so little Risk, well, wouldn't it be like a kind of 'Anger Insurance Policy'?

..... Oh! I did some more 'Looking Into' Risperidone, and found that it is primarily prescribed for Schizophrenia and Bipolar Disorder, Tourettes, and for Irritability related to some forms of Autism. So I am wondering whether one could Get a Doctor to prescribe Risperidone if you can only demonstrate a moderate propensity for Anger and Irritability which the Doctor would highly suspect that one can Control, given the ordinary kinds of Therapies, such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

Of course, Mr. Potatank's Case was a most obviously extreme case, and there was No Question about the appropriateness of the Prescription. But I DO Wish that Ordinary People could buy some kind of a cut-down Over the Counter Version of the same kind of thing... a "Mellow Out" drug.

I will have to discuss it with my doctor.... hmmm, maybe if I Flip Out and Trash her Office first... NO, just kidding...

potatank wrote:the only side effect I had was dry mouth for the first 4 days.
Other than that I have zero critical comments about it. It made things significantly better for me with no ill effects. Now obviously I cant say whether it will work that well for you or anyone else, I just happened to hit the jackpot with this medication

Oh and your last comment, I did flip and trash 2 doctors offices, kicked a cop in the face and threw urine on a security guard,...and thats bottom end of things I have done. Those days are long gone now, hopefully this med holds up and they are gone forever

Leo Volont wrote:Hi Mr. Potatank,

I was thinking more about Risperidone. Perhaps your Doctor told you How it Works... perhaps it is Replacing something that a normal healthy person's Body typically makes enough of. It Does Seem that Naturally you would be a Very Nice Guy, but something went Wrong in your Neural and Body Chemistry that was the Real Driver for all of your Extremely Violent and Impulsive Behavior. So you may be Right about it not really having much effect on a person with normal Body and Neural Chemistry.

I was Also thinking of Why you are such a Nice Guy Now. I figure that All the Time you were Acting Out of Control, that there was an Inner You that was trying to Do Its Best to Fight the Tendency for Violence, but it was simply Overwhelmed by what was simply an Imbalance of Chemicals in your Head. but now, with the Risperidone, that Nice Guy that had been Struggling So Hard for So Many Years to GET OUT, well, its OUT, and It REALLY IS a Very Nice Guy. And THAT may also be a factor in your Success with Risperidone... that it has been Helped Along by your Strong Inner Drive to be Good, Easy Going and Peaceful. If most of us with normal Body Chemistry would try half as hard to be Nice as you probably did, while you were living through all that misery, I am sure We All could be much Nicer.

Oh! And I was thinking about How Modern Society depends so much on the Criminal Justice System -- Throwing All of Its Problem in Jail! Honestly I thing Prisons and Jails should be Only For people who Deliberately and with Forethought Commit Crimes for Profit -- burglars, muggers and car thieves... those kind of Predators. But What Sense does it make to Toss People into Jail that simply have Impulse Control Problems? That is Clearly a Mental Health Issue, as it was for you. You never Needed to Go to Jail... you needed to go to a good Psychiatric Department. I am so glad that You or Somebody you know finally Figured out how to successfully address your Problem. It shows that perhaps we Can Hope that Society might not always be forever so Screwed Up... Like we are Still all Living in the Dark Ages or something...

Oh! But I shouldn't answer the question I am asking you myself, as I really don't know. Perhaps maybe Risperidone is not Replacing Anything, but is some 'magic Kind of Chemical' that Would Work on Anybody -- just like the Narcotic Drugs work the Same Way on Everybody. Hmmmm, if that was the Case, there should be a Black Market for Risperidone, so people can simply buy it On The Street, and cut out the Doctors, who I am sure are Wonderful Human Beings, BUT they are Very Expensive Middle Men...

potatank wrote:wow that post was outstanding. Yes I do believe it replaces some chemical that is missing. I desperately wanted the angry part of me out so yes you are right this was the final part of the formula to help that. And yes the doctor is an expensive middleman. there does need to be a "silk road" type market for Risperodone :)
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Postby kyrani99 » Sat May 27, 2017 3:28 pm

Taurnufuin wrote:Hello. I will try to keep this brief. 23 years old, male. I suffer from extreme anger. I have a rather serious disposition most of the time and even if I am not particularly depressed or worried, a single trivial thing can send me into an almost animal-like rage. I have a tendency to over react to certain issues and I can remember instances as I child when I would thrash around on my bed and break things over the most trivial and nonsensical things. If the issue happens to be particularly important and means a lot to me, then I can become extremely angry. However, the reason I decided to sign up to this form is that I just repeatedly battered my fists into the head board of my bed and growled with fury, all because I accidentally sent a handful of items to the wrong address. It almost sounds comical, but I am not good at dealing with shattered expectations (of any kind) and particularly dislike disorder and inconvenience. This of course is a trivial matter. I know it's trivial. What is not trivial is the way I respond to things like this. I often keep tools in my room as I used to do wood carving. I have on more than one occasion picked up my hatchet in a blind rage. Throughout my life I find that I have responded to situations in the least positive ways possible. Everything is always angry and difficult.I could give many, many more examples, but suffice it to say I am plagued by anger. I realise it is natural to get angry at things, but I seem to be controlled by something far more worrying. I am not a very happy person to begin with, so that does not help.

What can I do to fix this?


Hi Taurnufuin,
From what I know anger at trivial matters is a sure sign of being abused. There is someone in your life, who seeks to adversely influence you. I found that knowing how the cheat is done helps you overcome it.
I have posted 5 videos here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nxUl19 ... AuxWZ2DzEg on the basic cheat. I have called them the Underlying Conditions of Disease because they can be used in many different ways to cause health problems.

Basically a concealed threat is used (which my videos help you understand how this is done). As the threat is concealed one doesn't have the benefit of knowing the issue consciously. Hence all the person knows is that they may feel a bit hot or have more energy than usual or feel a higher emotional charge.

Once the threat is posed and the person is feeling some emotional reactivity, then an ideas is presented mentally. It can only be done by someone closely related to you. The idea has to do with some injustice or violation that has been done to you and again is not clear.

So you feel angry about the issue at hand but you feel a whole lot of energy and thus believe you are more angry than you normally would be over the trivial issue. The reality is that you are not more angry because the extra energy is due to fear, owing to the concealed threat.

Knowing this you can identify the energy as fear, even if the issue is unclear and you thus can appreciate that it is not anger. Hence you can remain calm or at least only a little angry. This will take the wind out of the sails of the related, inhumane people, who are hassling you.

You can also counter attack them in the Mind to ward them off.
Read my answer here: https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-brain-d ... yrani-Eade

Be aware that health problems that can be created by this means include diabetes. If they cause you to episodically get angry at close enough intervals then this can be a big problem. Especially if you are caused to get very angry. What happens is your liver will dump sugar into your blood stream to give you the extra energy you need if angry and the body won't have time to clear it away before the next episode.

Added to the above videos that will help you understand the cheat, there is also another thing you can do. You tell yourself, that while you are angry, you are not going to act, or do anything. This sends a message to your body to not increase the sugar levels in your blood. Usually when we get very angry we tell ourselves "I am going to do this or that" and it is often something extreme. This causes the body to seek higher energy states. So you need to do the reverse.
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Postby Candid » Sun May 28, 2017 9:26 am

kyrani99 wrote:From what I know anger at trivial matters is a sure sign of being abused.


I agree.
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Postby Taurnufuin » Sun May 28, 2017 9:29 pm

I don't see the connection to anger at triviality and abuse. And I was never abused.
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon May 29, 2017 1:07 am

Taurnufuin wrote:I don't see the connection to anger at triviality and abuse. And I was never abused.


Hi Taurnufian,

some people here have their 'pet theories' that they trot out each time. I suppose I do too. Maybe some people recognize that and so THAT IS WHY they simply ignore me sometimes. But, still that doesn't seem very friendly. But who ever said that Angry People who write into forums asking to be helped with their dysfunctionality are friendly?
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Postby Candid » Mon May 29, 2017 10:30 am

Let's try another tack. When did you first realise you had an anger problem? How long ago and how old were you?
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon May 29, 2017 10:44 am

Candid wrote:
kyrani99 wrote:From what I know anger at trivial matters is a sure sign of being abused.


I agree.


Yes, our Poster says he's never been Abused. Well, that seems rather unlikely.

Most People get used to their Families. the Way they are Treated by their Family becomes something of a baseline for what they consider NORMAL.

Here is a little Story that may help illustrate my Point. When I was growing up, I thought I was in a NORMAL home, and then, just for an evening, I was invited to a small party at a very popular girl's house, and she wasn't even 'pretty' -- she was just Super Nice. Wow, it was an Epiphany. Her Parents were SO Nice! The Siblings were Nice. Everybody was completely and thoroughly Civilized. It made me realize the Crassness of my own Home and Upbringing.

Now, think of it this way, if that Nice Girl had been forced to Live with My Family for an extended stay, Wouldn't She Consider it a Form of Abuse?

So I suspect our Poster has been Abused and doesn't have the Perspective to even Realize it.
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Postby kyrani99 » Wed May 31, 2017 11:51 am

Leo Volont wrote:Most People get used to their Families. the Way they are Treated by their Family becomes something of a baseline for what they consider NORMAL.


Hi Leo, I can relate to your example. I had similar epiphanies when I first went to other people's houses too.

In this case I tried to explain but it is too hard in a post. That is why I made the youtube videos.

People, who are abusive in adult life, do not act out. In fact the opposite is true. They try to appear friendly and even do things that try to sell themselves to you as friends. The abuse is behind the person's back.

They abuse relationship by exploiting the mental entanglement, which is created with relationship, to make mental suggestions to harass. However the ideas appear to pop into mind and thus the abused person unwittingly considers them their own thinking. However those ideas are aimed to hurt the person and cause them to react in ways that lead to harm.

So they use some minor incident, even a small misunderstanding, then under conditions of concealed threat, they present the ideas pointing to this issues. Or it can be something actually happening at the time of the concealed threat. Either way the person will feel a lot of energy, which is really due to fear, and think they are more angry than they really are. That is abuse but the person affected can't see it. All they know is that they are more angry than they would normally be over a trivia.
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