Mental health in the work place

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Postby quietvoice » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:27 pm

Septimus wrote:Symptoms of social anxiety, fear of being judged, extreme self consciousness, in some cases one of the worst things you can do is to bring attention to it. Simply asking if somebody is OK is drawing unwanted attention to that person, which can make those symptoms worse.

Makes me wonder how a person with such overwhelming mental states had got the job in the first place.
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Postby Septimus » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:09 am

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Septimus wrote:Symptoms of social anxiety, fear of being judged, extreme self consciousness, in some cases one of the worst things you can do is to bring attention to it. Simply asking if somebody is OK is drawing unwanted attention to that person, which can make those symptoms worse.

Makes me wonder how a person with such overwhelming mental states had got the job in the first place.


Congratulations you have just contributed to mass ignorance and prejudice to those with mental health issues.
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Postby quietvoice » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:47 am

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quietvoice wrote:Makes me wonder how a person with such overwhelming mental states had got the job in the first place.

Congratulations you have just contributed to mass ignorance and prejudice to those with mental health issues.

Have I, now. Really. After I had pointed you in the direction of learning about how we experience our psychological reality. That's sweet.

How does a person with such mental states get jobs? Might it be because they are not anxious all the time, or not depressed all the time? Might they sometimes have lucid states where they connect with the people around them, such as at a job interview? Which means what, that they created their states of mind by their thinking?
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Postby Septimus » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:46 am

quietvoice wrote:How does a person with such mental states get jobs? Might it be because they are not anxious all the time, or not depressed all the time? Might they sometimes have lucid states where they connect with the people around them, such as at a job interview? Which means what, that they created their states of mind by their thinking?


Studies and decades of research in neuroscience show that people who have heightened levels of sensitivity which can lead to anxiety and depression is party due to naturally higher reactive parts of the brain, such as the amygdala.

Having a high reactive amygdala is detectable in new born babies which means it is not caused by their thinking.
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:05 am

Septimus wrote:Studies and decades of research in neuroscience show that people who have heightened levels of sensitivity which can lead to anxiety and depression is party due to naturally higher reactive parts of the brain, such as the amygdala.

Having a high reactive amygdala is detectable in new born babies which means it is not caused by their thinking.

Having a "heightened level of sensitivity" that "can lead to" anxiety and depression, does not mean that anxiety and depression is not a thinking game.

And who says that babies can't think?
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Postby Septimus » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:25 pm

quietvoice wrote:
Septimus wrote:Studies and decades of research in neuroscience show that people who have heightened levels of sensitivity which can lead to anxiety and depression is party due to naturally higher reactive parts of the brain, such as the amygdala.

Having a high reactive amygdala is detectable in new born babies which means it is not caused by their thinking.

Having a "heightened level of sensitivity" that "can lead to" anxiety and depression, does not mean that anxiety and depression is not a thinking game.

And who says that babies can't think?


The amydala is directly linked the fear and anxiety, I'm not saying that is the only reason.

You're like a close minded fanatic trying to sell something. I choose science and the psychological over some spiritual belief system.
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:54 pm

Septimus wrote:The amydala is directly linked the fear and anxiety, I'm not saying that is the only reason.

You're like a close minded fanatic trying to sell something. I choose science and the psychological over some spiritual belief system.

If it's not the only reason, in your mind, then what's the problem with accepting that thinking is involved?

Of what spiritual belief system are you speaking? I certainly didn't pose any here.
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Postby Septimus » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:57 pm

quietvoice wrote:
Septimus wrote:The amydala is directly linked the fear and anxiety, I'm not saying that is the only reason.

You're like a close minded fanatic trying to sell something. I choose science and the psychological over some spiritual belief system.

If it's not the only reason, in your mind, then what's the problem with accepting that thinking is involved?


I never said thinking wasn't involved. I said it was complex with multiple reasons, I mentioned positive thinking methods like affirmations is past posts.
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:05 pm

So there's bodily reactions, and there's "thought" involved. Is there anything else that you can list here as being involved in anxiety and/or depression?
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Postby Septimus » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:34 pm

quietvoice wrote:So there's bodily reactions, and there's "thought" involved. Is there anything else that you can list here as being involved in anxiety and/or depression?


Inherited and non inherited genetics and biology.
Social, societal, group influences and programing.
Cognitive biases, distortions.
Past experiences resulting in many possible defense mechanisms.
Negative associations.
Current situations including job, family, social life.
Physical Environment.
Personality Traits.
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:08 pm

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Inherited and non inherited genetics and biology. Expressed how? I'll put that under bodily reactions
Social, societal, group influences and programing. Thought
Cognitive biases, distortions. Thought
Past experiences resulting in many possible defense mechanisms. Thought
Negative associations. Thought
Current situations including job, family, social life. Thought
Physical Environment. Thought and/or bodily reactions
Personality Traits. Thought
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:34 pm

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Past experiences Thought . . .
resulting in many possible defense mechanisms
. Thought

Current situations including job, family, social life. Thought
Current situations are stories made up in your mind, therefore it's thought.
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Postby Septimus » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:10 am

Personality traits, reaction and sensitivity to environments is explained in personality psychology which is considered genetic, shaped by the physical brain.

Possible reason for depression, the brain produces lower than average levels of serotonin. Explain how the 3 principles solves this problem?
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Postby quietvoice » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:37 pm

Septimus wrote:Personality traits, reaction and sensitivity to environments is explained in personality psychology which is considered genetic, shaped by the physical brain.

Possible reason for depression, the brain produces lower than average levels of serotonin. Explain how the 3 principles solves this problem?

You can change your brain by thinking; that's neuroplasticity.

On genetics:
https://www.brucelipton.com/resource/article/epigenetics wrote:According to Dr. Lipton, gene activity can change on a daily basis. If the perception in your mind is reflected in the chemistry of your body, and if your nervous system reads and interprets the environment and then controls the blood’s chemistry, then you can literally change the fate of your cells by altering your thoughts. In fact, Dr. Lipton’s research illustrates that by changing your perception, your mind can alter the activity of your genes and create over thirty thousand variations of products from each gene. He gives more detail by saying that the gene programs are contained within the nucleus of the cell, and you can rewrite those genetic programs through changing your blood chemistry.


You can boost serotonin levels by making changes in your lifestyle.

The Three Principles explains that you can change your relationship with your thoughts. You can step back and not take your thoughts seriously.

Article: Depression and Anxiety: What Doesn't Cure Them

Google search: three principles mind thought depression
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Postby quietvoice » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:43 pm

My mental well being was restored literally overnight when I learned how mind, thought, and consciousness work together to create our reality from moment to moment.

From Molly's story
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