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Postby Guess what? » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:11 pm

Honestly I wasted 22 years of my life, and now, yes, I'm woking on it but sure I don't want to waste more of it by staying at home. Honestly I don't see how reading can refresh my mind about taking pictures.
Just for learning how to think? Ok, but there wasn't even a "thinking" thing (except for the pics) mostly an experience lack.

Well, I swear that next time I will be more calm. The fact that I'm stressed and frustrated isn't new, looks like it is because i have hormonal problem, but i'm not sure.

I don't know what "nincompoops" means. xD
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Postby quietvoice » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:27 pm

Guess what? wrote:Honestly I wasted 22 years of my life, and now, yes, I'm woking on it but sure I don't want to waste more of it by staying at home. Honestly I don't see how reading can refresh my mind about taking pictures.
Just for learning how to think? Ok, but there wasn't even a "thinking" thing (except for the pics) mostly an experience lack.

Well, I swear that next time I will be more calm. The fact that I'm stressed and frustrated isn't new, looks like it is because i have hormonal problem, but i'm not sure.

I don't know what "nincompoops" means. xD

To each his own, I suppose. Those who have ears to hear . . .

Google search to define nincompoop.
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Postby Guess what? » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:17 pm

Never heard that not socializing is the answer when you feel rejected by the society.
Not that the situation was better before meeting them.

Thanks for the meaning of the word
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Postby Leo Volont » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:51 pm

Guess what? wrote:Hi Leo.


Once you said the opposite. That I think to much on myself.
But well, I was just unprepared, I didn't even know well how things should go in that case. And it could be worst, I could not take her car license plate or saying yes when she wanted to split up the fault



Hi Guess What,

Yes, you think emotionally about your fragile feelings and your offended sense of honor, that is, about everything that doesn't really matter. What I am referring to now is Survival Thinking, Practical Thinking, Social Thinking, Career Thinking. You focus so much on your own emotional reactions that you miss everything else that is going on. In a situation, such as the one you were in, you immediately got caught up in "the consequences are going to be terrible for me". Well, yeah, and that would have been a great place to start, but you stayed there. Your Work on your Anger Problem should have gotten you used to the idea of Damage Control. Bad Thing Happen. You can't freeze up. You have to take appropriate actions that can't wait. You did not ask yourself, or her "This is my first accident. What are we supposed to do now? I suppose we need to exchange information and take photos. Oh, by the way, my name is Guess What... pleased to meet you. I wish it were under better circumstances".

Oh, so your doctor has told you that it is healthy to not read books, go to classes, and try to better yourself, because it is best for your psychological development to waste your formative years running around with the worse set of lowlifes and scags in the Nation. Come on, Guess What, you're not talking to a total idiot. My assumption here is that you are twisting what your Doctor told you in some self-justifying way. You're doctor did not say "I think you should spend all your available time with drunks and sluts because their influence upon you will make you psychologically well adjusted.". If you were to take up reading and further your education, that in itself would lead to social contacts that would not be dragging you down into the gutter. You know, Guess What, the worst has not happened to you yet. Your 'friends' or their friends (who hear all the wonderful things your 'friends' say about you) could easily cut your throat in an ally for the money to buy a round of drinks at the next club. that kind of thing does not happen at Book Clubs.
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Postby Leo Volont » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:32 pm

Guess what? wrote:Never heard that not socializing is the answer when you feel rejected by the society.
Not that the situation was better before meeting them.

Thanks for the meaning of the word



Hi Guess What,

If you are being continuously rejected by Society, with failure after failure after failure, do you honestly believe that the solution to that is to keep repeating ad nauseam, hoping that by doing the same thing over and over again that the results will eventually change for you. Life does not work like that. Obviously you do not know how to socialize. You need to stay home and read because you need the time alone to think and reflect. If you just think and reflect with your own Mind, well, how has that been working for you? Generally speaking, books are written by smart people. You need to read so many books by smart people that you begin to get a feeling for what it is to be smart yourself (when I was young, every University had a list of their '100 books to read before walking through the door', which few people ever did, but these are great lists for anybody who wants to self educate. For instance, I just did a short search and got http://als.lib.wi.us/Collegebound.html But I am sure your Country still has some of the finest Universities in the World. You should be able to search something up.) When you say you wasted 22 years, you are right. You did not receive an adequate education. You are intellectually stunted. For instance, take your reception of Quiet Voice's general life advice -- "What does that have to do with taking a photo?" You are so uneducated you can't even place in proper context what educated people are trying to tell you.

So, yes, while the finishing work of becoming Socially Well Adjusted is to go out and establish one's self in the best of all possible and appropriate Social Circles, you are clearly not ready for that. Heck, you are even being rejected by the scum of the earth. The lowlifes you run around with are the True Social Outcasts and they are outcasting you. Clearly you need to spend a few years educating yourself and preparing. And you keep forgetting or ignoring that you are still young. Remember, "Life begins at 40". Oh, Quiet Voice has a point about Meditation. If for no other reason, the people you meet at Yoga Classes and Meditation Groups are NOT lowlifes (or at least they are very discrete lowlifes... Oh, but be careful about not getting into a 'Cult'. How do you know it is a cult? Well, if you find yourself with your head shaved, wearing a robe that looks like an orange bed sheet, passing out flowers or pamphlets and asking for donations at an Airport, then its a 'Cult') .
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Postby Guess what? » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:17 pm

Hi Leo, I'm sorry for yesterday; I was in a bad mood. Mostly I have to say sorry to @Quietvoice

I know what Quietvoice meant. That maybe if I had an mental education, I would have not forget to doing pics.. but it is not that I forgot, mostly that I had no experience in that; really, doing pics was the last thing that came up in my mind, I didn't even know I could do that. So, now, if it will happen again (I hope It won't xD) I will be prepared.
Honestly it is like if i have to do the extreme every time; I mean, if i have to act bad I will be the worst scum in the world, and if I have to act good I will be really kind. I noticed this of me, i don't know why, but just to do an example; you see that when I disagree with you two, I simply post a reply where I say whanever I think. Another one could say "yeah yeah, ok thanks" and never shows themself again, while they may was doing the opposite. And maybe, if this accident happened months ago, I would have done everything to make suffer that girl. 'Cause I was really bitter and I didn't want to hope on anyone. Anyway for what I see, being gentle but still thinking to own back is seen as being a jerk. Actually it is normal doing like this, but people see this as a meaning of your being fake, moody, etc.

Just saying, at the end I wanna improve and it is in my interesting keep posting here. So, lowlifes that reject me means nothing. People accept who fits good with their life style, and for what I said one of them has no trouble to drag other people in the group. I met two of the girls that I have a chance with, thanks to them. Without them maybe I would have hanged on a rope. And hey, without them I would not even be here. So they have no problem without me, rather, I think I tired them with my old whines.
Oh yesterday I was in a bad mood and I drunk. Remembering your tip I tried to drink one every each other, but I don't know why (I don't even drink much) I was really drunk anyway. I lost my wallet (I found it , don't worry), I was pucking, and they cared about me, brought me home, and when I was talking with a girl about relationship, I mentioned once again that chick who I cried so much for.
Now I'm saying sorry, and thanks, to her; and sure I would say something about that chick; like that was alcohool that was talking for me, even 'cause I don't mind so much about her anymore. Well, in the end I remember I didn't say anything bad, just I was happy for her that found someone who f*ck her.

So I'm scared to lose opportuity if I stay at home. Life starts in 40, but youth is now, and I may don't even reach the 40. Anyway I don't go out so much; and so I don't understand why I can't read and apply on time what I learned.

Your 'friends' or their friends (who hear all the wonderful things your 'friends' say about you) could easily cut your throat in an ally for the money to buy a round of drinks at the next club. that kind of thing does not happen at Book Clubs.

Oh come on, they are not that kind of criminals.
And you can't say that a throat cutter don't like reading.
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Postby Leo Volont » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:48 pm

Good Morning Guess What,

Usually I am full of advise, but, without meaning to be dismissive, well, I really don't know what to say about any of that. If I think of anything I will let you know.
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Postby Guess what? » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:05 am

Hi Leo.

I really appreciated your help, and anyway I'm lisening and practing what you said. I realize i'm kinda tiring, we are talking for pages after all.
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Postby Guess what? » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:09 am

Update, after a month.
So, I had that encounter with the psychiatrist, and he said that I have some kind of modest depression; he can't say if it is genetical. So now I take a lightly anti-depressive in drops, 10 per day.
Actually things are going better; and oh; looks like I was in panic for nothing; the "car accident" thing went good, the girl didn't do d*ck moves.

Yesterday i was in disco, and at the toilette someone cutted the line, so I said "excuse me, you are supposed to wait in line", maybe he didn't like my tone, 'cause he let me pass but then he was yelling "F*ck you! eat sh*t! I'll cum in your mouth!" and repeating my same words in order to mock me.

I was a little bit frustated, so I wanted to open the door and say "yep, c'mere and let me break your teeth", but I let it go; it was kind of stupid situation, so I did what i have to do in the toilette and went back to my friends.
Oh there was even a girl who I offense months ago; yeah I think the most symbol of my anger is when girls reject me. I mean, I already said sorry to her once, and then we never touched the subject but I wasn't full soddisfed so I said to her I was sorry again for that time, and asked if I can offer something to her. She refused but she looked okay with my apology, and then starting to talk and joke with me.

There was even that other girl.. I should apology with her too? I mean, i alreay said sorry after that fact, but not so clearly, and not when she was calm.. but maybe it is better acting like nothing happened; the thing is more serious here.

Anyway, yesterday at the disco i was really nervous when i arrived.. like if i was scared of something and so I started to drink (I should avoid it with the medicine); I don't know well why..

Anyway people are recognizing at me like a razional, calm, kind and friendly dude; and now I'm more calm and I accepted things like who talks at my back, who offenses me, etc.
Keep joking and talking with too much bravado, sometimes; i have to work on this, I just don't want to look to much passive.
I keep meeting a girl that doesn't want a serious relationship, but well, since she is good with me I can't whine, right?
Even if I don't think I looked good when I "barked" to her that she was supposed to give me back 5$. But well, then I putted it on the joke.. what is important is having my 5$ back.

So yeah, things are going great enough, socially and temperamentally talking.
For the rest I'm looking for a new job, my little newphew is at the hospital and since my sister broke her car she took one of ours and so I have to do the "taxi driver" for everyone, this is why I was a little bit frustated. xD
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Postby Leo Volont » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:38 am

Hi GW

Okay, I will read the rest of it in a minute, but didn't you remember what I said about anti-depressants? Don't you already have enough sexual dysfunction? Antidepressants make it worse. Whatever, you are taking (and what do they have you on. Tell me what it is, please? It is probably one of the family of Serotonin reuptake inhibitors) just stop taking it right now. Don't take any more. Maybe the crap has not screwed you up yet. But you might already need to face withdraw symptoms (for instance, drinking any alcohol while on antidepressant withdraw will create severe virtigo -- you will get dizzy and it will be very difficult to not fall down... and that is with just a beer or two. Even sober, there will be balance issues. So quit now while you can. The longer you wait the worse it gets. I can't believe you didn't listen to me! What did I tell you? I told you those Psychiatrists get paid by the Pharmaceutical Companies to get people hooked on those damned anti-depressants. Do you think that Psychiatrist cares about you? He's not your mother. He sees you as somebody who walked into his office that he can exploit for money. That's it. Its like a Scalp Bounty... your prescription and your name get assigned a control number and as long as you keep taking your meds, that Shrink will get a percentage 'kickback', even if you take that crap for the rest of your life, for the Shrink it adds up to real money. The Office Visit is nothing compared to what he get from hooking you on Anti-Depressants. Also, even if the crap does work (and you might think it works but that is the Placebo Effect -- a damned sugar pill would make you feel as good, but even if the crap does work, it only works for a while and then you have up the dosage, and eventually it doesn't work no matter what the dosage, but you have to keep on taking it or face the Severe Withdraw Symptoms. I can't believe you didn't listen to me. I warned you! Besides, you're not depressed. Even the Shrink said you aren't depressed, but he had to write you a prescription because he does the same thing for everybody who walks through his door. What were you thinking?.
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Postby Guess what? » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:14 pm

Hi leo.
I didn't think much about ED, first 'cause that medicine should not involve sexaul performance, second because depression isn't a joke. People die due depression.
I can tell I'm kinda better in general, not much stressed or emotional sensible as before.
I'm taking Brintellix (Vortioxetina). Should i stop it?
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Postby Leo Volont » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:16 pm

Guess what? wrote:Hi leo.
I didn't think much about ED, first 'cause that medicine should not involve sexaul performance, second because depression isn't a joke. People die due depression.
I can tell I'm kinda better in general, not much stressed or emotional sensible as before.
I'm taking Brintellix (Vortioxetina). Should i stop it?


https://www.highya.com/brintellix-reviews survey of patieint reviews and opinions

https://www.sst.dk/en/rational-pharmaco ... rtioxetine Danish Heatlth Authority studied it and found it to be expensive and ineffective.

Hi GW,
Well, I spent a couple of hours reading up on vortioxetine. Some of my impressions are, yes, it is another Serotonin Drug. It does not seem to describe as badly as Paxel, Proxac or Zoloft, but then some of the studies show that vortioxetine is not as effective (and remember, in time, all these Serotonin Drugs drop to zero effectiveness, as the body simply adjusts to re-establish its original neuro-chemical balance, which makes getting off the drugs so difficult. Also vortioxetine may seem kinder and gentler now simply because it is so new and the test trials so short that we may not know right now just how bad things might get.

Also vortioxetine is hugely expensive.

Oh, here is an interesting piece of information that was tucked away in one Study, that while they recommend that patients stay away from alcohol, well, there was one study that said:

“Alcohol
A clinical study has shown that BRINTELLIX (single dose of 20 or 40 mg/day) did not increase the impairment of mental and motor skills caused by alcohol.” https://www.rxlist.com/brintellix-drug. ... teractions

Also, look at this chart and see how the Placebo Sugar Pills do almost as well as the drug:

.... the Chart didjn't print, but the Placebo was greatly effective and the Drug just a tad more so, with a large 20 dose only slightly more effective then the smaller 10 done. So, honestly, you would get 90% of the effect for your Depression if only you could keep believing in the Sugar Pill. (Your Depression is all in your Mind, as paradoxical as that may sound).

Anyway, since the short term Withdraw Symptoms are not as severe as with the more conventional Serotonin Re uptake Inhibitor Drugs, then you can probably take them long enough until the Placebo Effect wears off (that 90% from the Missing Chart which the vortioxetine is riding on the back of) and you realize that a lot of money is being spent for nothing. Also realize that whatever your Natural Body Chemistry is, well, that is the Balance that your Body will attempt to re-establish, and once it does, with the Drug as a Factor, then you WILL have severe withdraw symptoms if you attempt to kick the habit. Remember NONE OF THE CLINICAL STUDIES LOOKED AT THIS DRUG FOR LONGER THAN 12 WEEKS! Nobody knows the long term effects of this Drug. Really, in a few months you will realize that you still have all of the same old problems AND you are taking an expensive drug. You’ll have to stop taking this drug sooner or later, and sooner will be a lot easier than later.

Oh, and when deciding whether to listen to me or your doctor. Remember the economics of it. The guy prescribed the most expensive Anti-Depressant on the market. Next time you see him ask about his financial arrangement with the Drug Company. He'll probably lie, but this will give you good practice on seeing what people look like when they are lying.
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Postby Guess what? » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:02 am

I wll read it then, anyway I don't spend money for it.
It is free by the health service.
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Postby Leo Volont » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:24 pm

Guess what? wrote:I wll read it then, anyway I don't spend money for it.
It is free by the health service.


The People of your Country don't need to pay for the most expensive instance of a drug on the market that will only end up hurting you. Also, just because your Country is paying the bill, it does not mean that the Doctor is not also crooked. I would still suspect that your Doctor is getting some kind of a "skim" or "kickback". Your Country probably should lock your Doctor up for some kind of illegal activity. Why the heck would he prescribe the most expensive Anti-depressant medication to a patient who has never taken any of the cheap generic anti-depressants first and reported any kind of a problem with them? But yes, you are lucky in that the expensive drug they have you on, because it is the least effective, is also the least harmful.
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Postby Guess what? » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:54 pm

Anyway, about that "let girls does whatever they want", i'm saying to girls I met to go with whoever they want, that I'm not jealous or i'm nobody to forbid them to do it.

But i don't know, looks like a invite to being cheated on, i have just to shut up? Or say it when they talk about this, or maybe I have to think this but don't say it?
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