Raw food diet diary

#75

Postby academic » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:46 pm

quietvoice wrote:
desperate788 wrote:Only fruits and veggies or nuts beans rice etc allowed?

Nuts, only sparingly, if at all. For detoxing, NO nuts. And many of the nuts are cooked.
Beans need cooking = NO
Rice needs cooking = NO


The kernel is the soft edible part of a seed or nut. If you can eat apple kernels and pumpkin kernels, why can you not eat almond kernels?

On the other points you are mistaken because beans and rice do not always need cooking. Sprouted beans and peas are a popular live and raw product. They are pricey to buy ready to eat, but you can sprout beans at home cheaply. You can also sprout brown rice and it eat that without cooking.

It looks to me like a tasty prawn curry could still qualify as raw diet dinner if prepared in the appropriate way.
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#76

Postby quietvoice » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:50 pm

desperate788 wrote:Healthy diet is confusing.

Five mistakes man makes:
1) cooking his food
2) turning to animals for food
3) eating things that man is not biologically adapted to eat
4) processing food
5) using chemical to raise food and to process food

Don't do the above. Makes things simple. All of this is spelled out on John's channel; i.e., DO YOUR RESEARCH.

Proper living is simple, simple, simple. It's man's mind that makes it complicated. Good day, sir.
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Postby quietvoice » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:53 pm

academic wrote:It looks to me like a tasty prawn curry could still qualify as raw diet dinner if prepared in the appropriate way.

First off, most people don't talk about rice and beans as sprouted. They would say sprouted, if that was what was on their minds.

And, prawn is in the animal kingdom. Period.
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Postby academic » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:00 pm

quietvoice wrote:
academic wrote:It looks to me like a tasty prawn curry could still qualify as raw diet dinner if prepared in the appropriate way.

First off, most people don't talk about rice and beans as sprouted. They would say sprouted, if that was what was on their minds.

And, prawn is in the animal kingdom. Period.


Please let me share with you a childhood memory.

I was hungry, and I eagerly took a huge bite out of a juicy raw apple. Then, when I looked into the half eaten core to take my next bite, I saw a cluster of halved squirming worms!!

(I cried)

Later in life, I was living with nomadic group in a forest and they try to re-live ancestral traditions. You would approve of their honey hunting, which includes eating bee grubs, and they would certainly value the juicy worm-infested apple of my childhood memory!

If you think about it, most non-GMO fruits found wild and not sprayed with insecticides, will contain protein-rich grubs and we would be eating them.

The way I see it, prawns are a sea-grub. I agree that prawns are not a natural species for human consumption, but if we going to reproduce the natural human raw diet using whatever is found in supermarkets, then prawns are possibly our most convenient edible grub!
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Postby desperate788 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:37 pm

I would prefer a clean apple from the market..
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Postby quietvoice » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:40 pm

academic wrote:ancestral traditions

Man has traditionally lived in ways that are detrimental to his health.

You would approve of . . .

Where do you get that I would "approve of" something, when you barely have met me on a message board?

will contain protein-rich grubs and we would be eating them.

Says who? We, in modern times with modern research methods, have learned that the push for frequently eating "protein-rich" anything for the long-term, is a health detriment, most specifically to the kidneys. It's the nitrogen content of "protein" that is of concern here.

The way I see it, prawns are a sea-grub. I agree that prawns are not a natural species for human consumption, but if we going to reproduce the natural human raw diet using whatever is found in supermarkets, then prawns are possibly our most convenient edible grub!

Homo sapiens is a frugivore species. Dead animal flesh gets into such a (frugivore) diet by accident or curiosity, but not by natural instincts. The modern man's tastes have been perverted through wrong living habits.
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Postby desperate788 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:45 pm

The simple solution..peer and banana for dinner :wink:
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Postby academic » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:55 pm

Candid wrote:If you can stick it long enough to feel the benefits, eventually you'll develop a dislike for junk foods and wonder why you ever thought a greasy hamburger was a 'treat'.


The smell of KFC makes me mildly happy, and even though I would never eat it, I am both disgusted and concerned about the phenomenon. Are you completely sure the corporations are not sprinkling mild hallucinogens into their junk food mix?
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Postby academic » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:00 pm

desperate788 wrote:I would prefer a clean apple from the market..

Me too, but I am not sure how easy clean market apples are to find in the wild? :)
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Postby academic » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:55 am

quietvoice wrote:Says who? We, in modern times with modern research methods, have learned that the push for frequently eating "protein-rich" anything for the long-term, is a health detriment, most specifically to the kidneys. It's the nitrogen content of "protein" that is of concern here.


If you fail to eat the proteins that decompose into the essential amino acids, then your body would be forced to consume itself. A very useful coincidence is that humans and grubs need to eat the exact same essential amino acids!

arginine
histidine
isoleucine
leucine
lysine
methionine
phenylalanine
threonine
tryptophan
valine
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Postby quietvoice » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:29 am

academic wrote:
quietvoice wrote: the push for frequently eating "protein-rich" anything for the long-term, is a health detriment, most specifically to the kidneys.

If you fail to eat the proteins that decompose into the essential amino acids, then your body would be forced to consume itself. A very useful coincidence is that humans and grubs need to eat the exact same essential amino acids!


Notice that even you said that we need "amino acids" and not "proteins."
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Postby academic » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:05 am

quietvoice wrote:Notice that even you said that we need "amino acids" and not "proteins."

That was intentional and it was done because I was being accurate.

Our bodies synthesise our own human proteins. The foreign proteins we eat are always broken down into amino acids, and the amino acids are re-combined to form human proteins; so no part of us can literally be made of cow or onion protein!

All proteins are synthesised from amino acids. Some amino acids can be synthesised in our bodies too, and some cannot. The amino acids that cannot be synthesised by our bodies are called 'essential' because they must be somehow eaten. The essential amino acids would normally be acquired by digesting the proteins of other organisms (or your doctor might be able to prescribe them in the form of a pill).

Plants do not share our problem, so people who eat only plant proteins need to consume a varied mix (leaves, fruits, pulses, nuts) to get all their amino acids. Not getting the balance right could force the person's body to sometimes consume itself, making that person a little bit smaller than they might have been.

Insects conveniently do share our problem, so we can consume all of our essential amino acids by eating insect proteins; and grubs are baby insects.
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Postby quietvoice » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:46 pm

academic wrote:Insects conveniently do share our problem, so we can consume all of our essential amino acids by eating insect proteins; and grubs are baby insects.

Sourcing the amino acids seems to be where we disagree.

Breaking down whole "protein" molecules leaves the body to deal with the residue clean up. That's where we see much of mankind's maladies.
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Postby Candid » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:06 pm

Wow, this thread is really jumping! :D

desperate788 wrote:I would prefer a clean apple from the market..


You're doing okay, desperate. You really are.

For sure it gets confusing if you take in all the advice offered from everywhere. As quietvoice says, do the research... but not to the extent that you feel muddled. It really isn't that complicated to eat well.

Your instincts are good, as shown in the above quote. You can trust your own judgment.

You went in really fast, it was amazing. You could take things more slowly. Think of it as an experiment to find out what makes you feel good.

I've joined you in juicing (made a few rainbows!) but I am not yet on a juice fast. At the moment I'm replacing one meal a day, either lunch or dinner, with vegetable juice. When I've got used to that, I'll work out what next step will suit me. I knew I couldn't do whole days the way you've done, and I really hope you feel proud of yourself -- you should be! -- and more optimistic that you can take charge of your life.

Really, I salute you. You've seen enough small improvements to have the motivation to keep going.

I stand by my statement that eventually you lose the taste for dead, heavy foods. There's no need to hurry. Small daily improvement is what we're looking for.

If you want to buy just one good book on the subject, I would recommend Fit For Life by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.
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Postby desperate788 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:23 pm

I liked the idea of one meal veggies and fruits. I will do that. I will buy the book on Google books.
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