Get Really Angry in the Morning?

Postby GinoMidnight » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:17 pm

Hey guys,

So I am a 26 year old male who has been diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, depression, and being bipolar. I currently take 4 meds for these issues; Vyvanse (for my ADHD), Lithium, Viibryd, and Abilify.

The reason why I am saying this is because when these meds are in affects, for the most part, I'm fine. I have my moments like all humans do, but for the most part,I'm fine. My trouble is where I wake up because my meds aren't in me yet and I'm not a morning person, so I'm prone to being grouchy. Now this has gotten me into trouble before.

One thing I do when I wake up is check my phone and sometimes that can trigger my anger because I see something that makes me mad, but I also want to make sure i'm not ignoring anything important or something I need to see right away. However, when I get mad I say things I regret later and I've even almost lost friends because of it. However, there are times I have gotten mad without seeing my phone. There are times I would have bad time management issues and I would have so much to do in a short time and I've lost it so hard that when my boyfriend called I was just screaming at home and saying these mean things for no reason.

My question to you guys is between the point between me waking up and when my meds take effect at work, what can I do in the meantime to control my anger even if I do look at my phone or have a time management issue?

I've really been impressed with the kind of responses you guys have said in other topics so I am looking forward with what you guys have to say about this!

Thank you so much in advance,
Gino
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Postby Leo Volont » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:18 am

Hi Gino,

Everyone is diagnosed with something and everyone is on Meds today. You know, of course ,Gino, that's its all a scam, right? These Doctors are not working for charity, or out of Love of God and Humanity. They want to fill their Appointment Books, and the Pharmaceutical Companies give the Doctors 'kick backs' and bonus rewards for getting people hooked on their very expensive drugs, which they hope you to take for the rest of your life. You know of course, if you could save that money, after 40 years it would amount to a years salary. Oh, and how can the Doctors just diagnose you so severely? Well, check out their Diagnostic Table. Everything is on it except "normal". Really, Evolution has not screwed up things so terribly. Mentally Ill People should be statistical outliers. But if you are not physically sick and you are eating well, then the odds of you being Mentally Ill should be minuscule. But its not, that is not according to a Profession that makes proportionately more money as the proportion of people that can be diagnosed as Mentally Ill increases. EVERYBODY who walks through those doors and has any kind of a complaint at all, such as "I was raised by over indulgent parents who never enforced the Social Norms and so I grew up being habitually self-indulgent and obnoxious and now people hate me. Doctor is there something wrong with me?" "Of course! You have anxiety, depression and you are bi-polar. I have just the right thing for you: pills that will shut down your sex drive, make you fat and lazy and destroy any creative abilities you may have, but they will shut you up and calm you down, and people won't hate you so much."

And you are fine with it all. You express gratitude that the Pills Work so well, that is, once they kick in, and now you want to know what to do in the mean while. Well, Gino, you can try Re-Conditioning your Thought and Behavior Patterns. You know, your first mistake was to go to a Pill Pushing Psychiatrist, instead of a Psychologist who would have diagnosed all of your problems as Behavioral. You simply have never learned how to behave. Also, you have never learned how to think. Your thoughts were permitted to be totally self-indulgent. To learn how to think properly, there must be Rewards for Good Thinking, and Punishments, or Bad Returns and Negative Results, for Bad Thinking. You never received any negative feedback for Bad Thinking, or maybe you were even REWARDED for Bad Thinking (as when you can be a Brat and your parents reward you by giving you what your tantrum demanded.

Gino, you should read up on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I've been away from this site for awhile. I've gone back to School for a second Degree and have been rather busy. But I used to post a lot here, and so many of my Posts are still in history. I had a lot of good advice for people with irritability and impulsive anger, and some of those tips may be applicable to you. But, honestly, I can't get really enthusiastic about trying to help the Dopers like yourself. With all those Pills you're just a glorified Zombie, aren't you? Do you even have a Soul anymore? Why should I bother, right?
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Postby GinoMidnight » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:46 pm

Leo Volont wrote:Hi Gino,

Everyone is diagnosed with something and everyone is on Meds today. You know, of course ,Gino, that's its all a scam, right? These Doctors are not working for charity, or out of Love of God and Humanity. They want to fill their Appointment Books, and the Pharmaceutical Companies give the Doctors 'kick backs' and bonus rewards for getting people hooked on their very expensive drugs, which they hope you to take for the rest of your life. You know of course, if you could save that money, after 40 years it would amount to a years salary. Oh, and how can the Doctors just diagnose you so severely? Well, check out their Diagnostic Table. Everything is on it except "normal". Really, Evolution has not screwed up things so terribly. Mentally Ill People should be statistical outliers. But if you are not physically sick and you are eating well, then the odds of you being Mentally Ill should be minuscule. But its not, that is not according to a Profession that makes proportionately more money as the proportion of people that can be diagnosed as Mentally Ill increases. EVERYBODY who walks through those doors and has any kind of a complaint at all, such as "I was raised by over indulgent parents who never enforced the Social Norms and so I grew up being habitually self-indulgent and obnoxious and now people hate me. Doctor is there something wrong with me?" "Of course! You have anxiety, depression and you are bi-polar. I have just the right thing for you: pills that will shut down your sex drive, make you fat and lazy and destroy any creative abilities you may have, but they will shut you up and calm you down, and people won't hate you so much."

And you are fine with it all. You express gratitude that the Pills Work so well, that is, once they kick in, and now you want to know what to do in the mean while. Well, Gino, you can try Re-Conditioning your Thought and Behavior Patterns. You know, your first mistake was to go to a Pill Pushing Psychiatrist, instead of a Psychologist who would have diagnosed all of your problems as Behavioral. You simply have never learned how to behave. Also, you have never learned how to think. Your thoughts were permitted to be totally self-indulgent. To learn how to think properly, there must be Rewards for Good Thinking, and Punishments, or Bad Returns and Negative Results, for Bad Thinking. You never received any negative feedback for Bad Thinking, or maybe you were even REWARDED for Bad Thinking (as when you can be a Brat and your parents reward you by giving you what your tantrum demanded.

Gino, you should read up on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I've been away from this site for awhile. I've gone back to School for a second Degree and have been rather busy. But I used to post a lot here, and so many of my Posts are still in history. I had a lot of good advice for people with irritability and impulsive anger, and some of those tips may be applicable to you. But, honestly, I can't get really enthusiastic about trying to help the Dopers like yourself. With all those Pills you're just a glorified Zombie, aren't you? Do you even have a Soul anymore? Why should I bother, right?



In response to your first paragraph, while I'm not denying you are wrong, i honestly do think you should really push yourself to cope with the issue before resorting to medication. The unfortunate part about this for me is I started taking ADHD meds when I was in Kindergarden (yes I know a bit young). However, I kept my word on this when it came to anti depressants as I tried coping with myself on this for many years before trying it and I haven't until a couple years ago. I'm sure this is a useless response but since we're just strangers to each other, I may as well explain myself a bit cause I was a bit vague on some things.

I'm completely with you on the 2nd paragraph so I don't really have a response for that.

As for the 3rd paragraph, this is something my therapist went on a while ago but I never went forward with it as much. I'll make sure to go back to that. In regards to the whole "feeling like a zombie" thing, I don't get that feeling at all. The ONLY time in my history of taking meds was when I was younger and I first took 60 mg of Vyvanse and then I felt like a zombie. The psychiatrists have been giving me the right dosages where I don't feel like a zombie and I feel like a more mature,stable, version of myself. I've met plenty of people who stopped taking meds because of that reason, but for me that hasn't been the case and I'm grateful for it. I am in no way saying you don't know what you're talking about nor am I saying you are wrong, I definitely will try what you said, but I thought i'd give you an explanation because I haven't felt like a zombie in a very long time. That being said though, what you said about not behaving right is pretty accurate. I will try the cognitive therapy again. Is there anything else you would recommend or that I should give a try to correct this issue without relying on medication?
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:36 am

Hi Gino,

Well, of course, I don't know what I am talking about, when we are speaking specifically about you. I was speaking in general. Well, you explained yourself very well. You seem to have tried to live without MEDS. Perhaps the problem stems from your parents turning you into a Speed Freak when you were just barely out of the crib. It probably crippled your normal bio-neural chemical development. Your parents probably made sure you didn't eat too much candy, but then they turn you into a Little Hop Head. So, yes, the damage is done and now certainly you have to do your best in dealing with it. Yes, you do have a Organic Imbalance, and I apologize to your Psychiatrist who is apparently doing a wonderful job. I will have to be less hostile to their profession in the future. Live and Learn.

But, you can see my frustration now, regarding the original problem. I honestly do not see how you can not be Mean Snarly and Irritable in the mornings. Oh, but you could set the clock for periods in the night and give yourself sustaining micro-doses of your Meds. do you sleep straight through the night. With myself, my bladder wakes me up at about every 2 and half hours. But I could probably modify that by drinking more or less water before going to bed. Maybe you should discuss micro-dosing at night with your very competent Shrink.

Well, Gino. I am so glad that my own shortness and frustration did not keep you from writing back. I learned a lot and by now having developed an admiration for you, in your battle against the permanent residuals of an unintended but very stupid parental abuse, I believe you have made me a better person. Oh, wait, perhaps your parents aren't to blame. I wasn't there, was I? I have no idea what a Wild Crazy Brat you might have been at 5. Maybe you were chasing them with knives, torturing the pets, and setting fires. I really must think more about what I DON'T know before I come to my absolute judgment, huh?

Well, thanks again Gino. I wish you all the luck in the World and a Happy New Year.
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