A Theory.

Postby Tyto » Mon May 27, 2019 11:22 pm

Kindly forgive my almost guaranteed ignorance to any particular neurological (or even pathological) roots to the subject that I was unaware of in my studies. I am young, and naive to a lot of things in the world. This is a post I'm making in order to incite discussion, particularly around the topic of "suggestibility" or otherwise one's connection to the state of hypnosis.

Strong emotions and feelings (phobias ect) are often defined as trance states within ericksonian circles and studies. In order to achieve this definition, one must relieve themselves of the delusion that while trance and hypnosis are interchangeable, and even sometimes unable to function without the other; they are separate psychological states. That being hypnosis is where your subconscious mind is receptive to suggestion that cannot otherwise be consciously implanted. Trance, however, is where the mind is so focused on a particular feeling or concept, that our mind suppresses or even shuts down specific function that gets in the way of said focus.
When an arachnophobia experiences their phobia (depending upon the severity of the phobia) they freeze up, their heart rate spikes, hyperventilation sets in, and the mind sets into gear the process of getting as far away from danger as possible. That is a fine example of trance.

Now that I've set the groundwork, allow me to present my theory.
Along with said theory comes the topic of conditioning. We condition our body all the time, whether through sleeping patterns, social compliance, or healthy-eating, we condition our body and mind to conditions that best suit our environment.
I've noticed a pattern, particularly among my time in doing sessions with friends and otherwise; I've noticed that highly hypnotizable subjects (sometimes even somnambulists) display highly unstable mental health. This is an almost constant pattern among subjects of mine.
Therefore, I would like to propose a question regarding this. What if hypnotzability/suggestibility isn't dependent upon the reach of their imagination, or the strength of their ability to accept suggestion; but instead the level of Neurosis in which they experience.
With Neurosis (that being sudden and often unexplained changes in emotions) this would allow high-suggestibles to condition their mind to experience all trance states, which was previously defined as any strong emotion. Therefore what stops the somnambulist from following his/her conditioning and simply accessing a hypnotic trance state, much as he/she has done with other trance states.
It's a very loose theory, but I would love to hear some discussion and/or opinions on the topic, as I haven't seen anyone bring the topic up. But thank you for reading all the same.
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Postby jimmyh » Wed May 29, 2019 5:20 am

Here’s my take:
Emotions can induce trance, but are not required for it. Think of all the times you’ve focused on something to the other without being all that “emotional” about it.

Neuroticism is more about negative emotions than positive, and positive emotions work find for hypnosis and trance.

sh**’s complicated. There are too many factors to easily study, and so if the unseen pieces don’t line up the same, neither do your answers. People have gotten conflicting results when trying to study this scientifically. One interesting example: “Positive relationship between neuroticism and hypnotizability does not occur with normal Ss. Speculation reveals that the relationship among neurotics is a result of using drugs.”

Where are you finding your subjects? There’s likely some filtering mechanism at work. There very well may be a correlation in your sample due to a third factor that they both correlate with.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5388343/
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psycnet.apa.org/record/1961-05101-001
digitalcommons.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2842&context=gradschool_disstheses
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Postby ahimsa42 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:00 am

i would tend to agree with your theory. if one looks at the actions of those who are delusional schizophrenics, they are very similar to the hallucinations of the highly hypnotizable subjects. perhaps this is due to the thin line between reality and illusion which already exists in them in the waking state.

this would make being highly hypnotizable more of a mental defect rather than a positive ability or talent as it is so often described. yet another reason why the loss of rational thinking and logic, even if only temporarily, is so detrimental and negative.
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