An intense wave of PAWS...but something is different

Postby BullFrog » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:15 am

So the last 4-5 weeks haven't been very great for me. Sure I have had some relief, but the strange buzzy/dizzy feeling in my head and extreme head fog has come back with a vengeance and even a long missing symptom where in mid thought I will completely lose what I am thinking and have to spend 30 seconds recalling what I just forgot (doesn't happen often). Oh and I had a small panic attack while lying in bed two nights ago and said a prayer and calmed down and could finally sleep (been awhile since I had one of those also).

At first I was thinking this is just another really bad wave (which sucks since I am at 16 months of recovery). However, I did realize there is something else different in my life since March 1st. I became part of a group called "The Conquer Series" which is a series dedicated to help men overcome sexual addictions. I admit, I had a sexual addiction and have had one for 15+ years (masturbation/pornography). Now I am married, but despite that, it was common for me to masturbate anywhere from 1-5 times a week all depending on a given week (and that didn't include sex with my wife). However, since doing the program and understanding how the brain works when trying to build new neuropathways while battling addiction, I can say that I have been masturbation free since March 1st. Which is huge for me, to say the least. Now I have accountability software on my computer devices so it's rather hard for me to look at Porn. The last I did was in January. So having said all that, I looked up online and apparently people going through "nofap" or simply refraining from masturbation and pornography can have potentially really bad withdrawals. From depression, to severe headaches, anxiety, and one website mentioned really bad head fog. So this got me wondering, is this new wave related in any way to my withdrawal from Masturbation?

Thoughts?
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Postby ashthewarrior7 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:28 am

Yes, I noticed that my body has become really sensitive to any changes in or outside the body and that in turns also trigger PAWS and withdrawals. Porn, masturbation and orgasms are directly in tune with dopamine and seratonin, and so is weed. So if you just cut off your dopamine and seratonin production and your body finds it hard to adapt due to weed PAWS even if it was in it's last stages, you have a nasty combination of PAWS there . Change in weather/seasons also seems like a trigger which makes sense around when the bad waves tend to occur.
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Postby BullFrog » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:01 pm

Thanks, Ash. That does make me feel better.

I hope your recovery is going well, my friend. Would be good to hear an update from you. :)

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Postby SparkleFly12 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:56 pm

Sounds believable. I cant say it from experience, but the brain chemistry makes sense (of course, Im no doctor).

Hell, I had mad brain fog, irritability, anxiety (basically PAWS) when I completely cut sugar out of my diet cold turkey...Anything that produces dopamine in your brain, when you take it away Id believe you can get PAWS symptoms. With sugar, it did only last a couple weeks or so though; so Id imagine the time your brain takes to re-adjust is dependent on what the source of dopamine was.
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Postby Cthompson21 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:13 pm

Bullfrog- I agree ejaculation messes with you somewhat. But can you just stop having orgasms? I dont know if I can. My sex drive is too strong! You still have sex with your wife, right? Does that have the same effect as masturbation?

Btw I have managed to cut out porn, which causes ED so it has to change your brain chemistry. My therapist said it takes about 30 days for a person (presumably non paws) to recover their arousal after using porn. I can only imagine the havoc it wreaks on the brain using it every day, I heard somewhere else it can actually shrink parts of the brain, like any addictive substance.

But I just cant stop masturbation, I don't have a regular sexual partner and I would go crazy if I didnt...so if it is making my PAWS symptoms worse I've accepted that, my brain is already pretty messed up 3 years in/11 months of weed related paws. A lot of things will make my anxiety and insomnia worse, things I cant predict or control, and masturbating doesn't seem like its hurting me that badly... but if it helps you go for it.
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Postby ashthewarrior7 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:45 pm

Dont quit cold turkey man, slowly wean or taper it off. That will not trigger paws and let your brain transition easily. if you do it multiple times everyday, then cut it down to only once a day for month, then 6 days week, then 5, then 4 with one day gap between each and so and so forth. this may be slow but it doesn't stress you or the balance your body is used to.

also, moderation is key man, get addicted to moderation, thats the only way out of this lurking addiction issue.
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Postby BullFrog » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:07 pm

Thompson, getting rid of masturbation was definitely difficult. And yes, I still experience orgasms since I am married. My wife and I are intimate about twice a week. I can't speak definitely about the differences chemically with masturbation versus sex outside the fact that sex with my wife is very intimate and very...healthy. I don't require fantasizing as is required for masturbation and sex between partners involves healthy emotional connections, eye contact, and all that goes into that sorta thing. I would imagine while chemically similar, there is something far more "wholesome" about the latter.

Anyway, I would agree with ash. If you find yourself masturbating frequently, then reduce the amount of times you do it. Perhaps even give yourself an allowed number per week. Whatever works.

And you are right about the brain for those on pornography. They did CAT scans on brains of heroin addicts and those deeply addicted to porn and masturbation and the brains looked VERY similar (I saw the images and the images also compared those two addictive brains to a healthy brain...wow!)
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Postby AngryDwarf » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:07 pm

Refraining from orgasms is very beneficial for managing the symptoms in my experience. My worst waves always came a day after masturbating.

Weed and orgasms work in an almost identical way: orgasm floods the hypothalamus with an endocannabinoid called 2-AG, which then agonizes to the CB1 receptors. Huge quantities of 2-AG lead to CB1 desentitization, making the hypothalamus less responsive to dopamine (and testosterone). THC is an even more powerful CB1 agonist than 2-AG. Which means that if you have hammered the hypothalamus with THC to the point of severe desentitization, orgasms during the THC withdrawal could temporarily halt the re-sentitization of the CB1 receptors.
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Postby type0 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:35 pm

totaly agree. I tried nofap since 08/03/2019 and it speed up my recovery soooo fast. I've done it for 98 days. Everybody here must try it!......
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Postby HarryGasikara » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:18 pm

Thank you for this conversation everyone! me too I have bad wave after watching those kind of adult movies and ejaculating much sperm. I didn't know they are related. thank you type0 for that piece of advice.
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