Do serial killers really target drug dealers routinely?

Postby LogicOverEmotion140 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:37 am

There is an article in the website Psychology Today. The title of the article is "Serial Killers, Autism, and Mass Murder - Once Again". The article is written by John Elder Robison. Search it up.

The article says that drug dealers are often one of the favorite target victims of psychopathic calculating socially charming serial killers such as Ted Bundy and Paul John Knowles. I am talking about serial killers with Antisocial Personality Disorder.

My question is how can serial killers have the guts to do that when the drug dealers themselves most likely could be gang members from very violent gangs? Wouldn't that potentially risks the serial killers of being on the end of a brutal retribution from the violent gangsters?

Like what can a mere perverted killer psychopath who did nothing but target children and women do to a bunch of hardened brutal group of well armed ferocious street thugs who were hardened from their daily experiences in bloody fist fights, gang shoot outs, and gang fights to the death with other violent gang members?
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Postby sarasara » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:35 am

we cannot talk generally about goals of Serial Killers, but family documents and drug would be important reasons.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:11 pm

LogicOverEmotion140 wrote:There is an article in the website Psychology Today. The title of the article is "Serial Killers, Autism, and Mass Murder - Once Again". The article is written by John Elder Robison. Search it up.

The article says that drug dealers are often one of the favorite target victims of psychopathic calculating socially charming serial killers such as Ted Bundy and Paul John Knowles. I am talking about serial killers with Antisocial Personality Disorder.

My question is how can serial killers have the guts to do that when the drug dealers themselves most likely could be gang members from very violent gangs? Wouldn't that potentially risks the serial killers of being on the end of a brutal retribution from the violent gangsters?

Like what can a mere perverted killer psychopath who did nothing but target children and women do to a bunch of hardened brutal group of well armed ferocious street thugs who were hardened from their daily experiences in bloody fist fights, gang shoot outs, and gang fights to the death with other violent gang members?


I don't think any of Ted Bundy's victims was a drug dealer, so I think you need to revise that. I also don't think there is any credibility in the article because serial killers tend to target individuals who can't fight back. I don't think there is any correlation between the two things. Where did you read this?
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:35 pm

LogicOverEmotion140 wrote:Wouldn't that potentially risks the serial killers of being on the end of a brutal retribution from the violent gangsters?


No. Why? Because by definition they are "SERIAL" killers. By definition, they believe that they can get away with the killing. They do not think they will get caught. And if you do not think you will get caught, then you do not need to fear retribution.
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Postby LogicOverEmotion140 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:22 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
LogicOverEmotion140 wrote:Wouldn't that potentially risks the serial killers of being on the end of a brutal retribution from the violent gangsters?


No. Why? Because by definition they are "SERIAL" killers. By definition, they believe that they can get away with the killing. They do not think they will get caught. And if you do not think you will get caught, then you do not need to fear retribution.


Wouldn't the gang find out one way or another especially if the serial killer routinely tries to kill the gangsters in one area? I think you are making serial killers here look too invincible like they're some sort of Batman or Frank Castle. I don't think all serial killers have trainings in being ex military special forces turned CIA assassins.

Plus, serial killers routinely trying to kill drug dealers who are members of violent gangs is kinda very difficult. Gang members tend to always stay together. What do you really think a serial killer would do? Go Bruce Lee and full rage on all of the gang members at the same time with a machete?

Plus, the fact that many notorious serial killers are eventually caught by the authorities means they can't hide their activities forever. Once they are caught, wouldn't the gang members who found about the news of the serial killers being caught exact brutal revenge on the serial killer especially if the gang has connections to a prison gang that is contained in the same prison that the serial killer is also contained?

Like seriously, how can a serial killer really survive after he messed with a group of well armed ruthless hardened criminal thugs?
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:40 pm

LogicOverEmotion140 wrote:Wouldn't the gang find out one way or another especially if the serial killer routinely tries to kill the gangsters in one area?


Not if they are any good.

I think you are making serial killers here look too invincible...


And you are making drug dealers look too invincible. It's similar to your fantasy of the invincible high school super hero or your fantasy that playing poker makes a criminal an intellectual.

In your fantasy world if you want drug dealers to be really powerful, fine. In my fantasy world the serial killer doesn't get caught.
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Postby LogicOverEmotion140 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
LogicOverEmotion140 wrote:Wouldn't the gang find out one way or another especially if the serial killer routinely tries to kill the gangsters in one area?


Not if they are any good.


Really? Do you really think it is that easy to keep on killing gang members? Typically when others keep on killing gangsters in the criminal gangster underworld, it normally doesn't end peacefully for the assailant cause it always turns into a war. So what really makes you think a serial killer can keep on killing gang members without any serious consequences?

I am not glorifying gang members but you thinking that it is that easy to keep on killing gang members is something that I have a hard time trying to accept. If it is really that easy to kill gang members then you will see a lot of vigilante killings happening on a daily basis but no, they happen very little. And even if vigilante killings happen, the operators aren't alone compared to a lone serial killer. Even ex military special forces vigilantes have a hard time executing vigilante activities cause they know it would start a violent war and invite retribution from gangs.

You also seem to underestimate gang members as if they are some dumb mentally retarded morons. They are often street smart and somehow resourceful. I am not glorifying them but what I am saying is the truth. They don't think like women or children that are dumb ditzy enough to fall into the traps of serial killers. Gang members always have to deal with who to trust and not to trust cause there are a lot of cunning backstabbers in the criminal gangster underworld.


I think you are making serial killers here look too invincible...


And you are making drug dealers look too invincible. It's similar to your fantasy of the invincible high school super hero or your fantasy that playing poker makes a criminal an intellectual.

In your fantasy world if you want drug dealers to be really powerful, fine. In my fantasy world the serial killer doesn't get caught.


I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about the poker part and the highschool superhero part. I did not wrote any of those here.

Now back to my original question. I am not making gang members look invincible but you saying that it is just that easy to kill gang members on a daily basis without suffering any serious consequences just makes it look like you think serial killers are invincible like Batman or Frank Castle.

I am not glorifying gangsters cause I am saying the truth. Hardened criminal thugs in the gangster underworld are not the dumb retards you think they are. Their underworld is very tight. Think about the Latin American Drug Cartels. Even highly trained espionage government agents have a hard time infiltrating a Latin American Drug Cartel. Latin American Drug Cartels also are very powerful and bully the Latin American governments in some ways because of the immense power that the Latin American Drug Cartels have and the infamous ruthless brutalities that the Latin American Drug Cartels are capable of. That is one of the things gangsters are capable of. You really think gangsters can accomplish that if they were really the dumb retarded morons you think they are? What do you think will happen to serial killers if they mess with a Latin American Drug Cartel? You really think they will just survive?

I know it may sound like I am glorifying gangsters but I am not. I know it may sound like I am glorifying gangsters but goddamn, you thinking that it is just that easy for serial killers to kill gang members just makes it looks like you think serial killers are invincible Batmen.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:04 pm

Lost123 wrote:You also seem to underestimate gang members as if they are some dumb mentally retarded morons.


No. I don't underestimate them. Why? Because unlike your fantasy world, I have interacted with actual gang members. I interacted with them almost daily for many years. And unlike your fantasy, real gang members, the vast majority of them, are just uneducated young men. Real drug dealers are not very smart.

I never interacted with a serial killer. I did interact with a man that aspired to be a serial killer. He wrote down that he wanted to kill 30+ people.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/dea ... ker780.htm

I booked him. I also testified at his trial, he was found guilty and executed.

Lost123 wrote:I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about the poker part and the highschool superhero part. I did not wrote any of those here.


I've been in this forum a few years. Not often, but occasionally the forum welcomes a member like yourself that for some unknown reason enjoys creating multiple accounts. They are typically easy to spot. In your case, the blaring give away is your geek/criminal/superhero fantasy world theme. You are the only person to ever post on this topic. In almost ten years of being on the forum, ZERO members out of thousands have started threads regarding geeks/criminals/superheroes. Suddenly, in a span of only two months 3 brand new members start threads on this same theme. It's not a coincidence.

Anyway, you have your reasons for starting multiple accounts. It doesn't really matter except that it will ruin your threads.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:11 pm

Really? Do you really think it is that easy to keep on killing gang members? Typically when others keep on killing gangsters in the criminal gangster underworld, it normally doesn't end peacefully for the assailant cause it always turns into a war.

Exactly, so why or how would a serial killer engage with them? Gangs kill other gangs, usually over turf wars or money from them. Serial killers are loners who seek out victims that are usually just ordinary people. Your argument is futile, in that it is trying to compare completely different things. If I asked you what would win in a fight.. a shark or a tiger what would the answer be, other than why or how would they meet for the fight in the first place? Gangsters of the cartel level are ruthless and use ultra violent acts as a means of control, either of their members so they don't misbehave or their communities for their silence. They mutilate their enemies as a show of power and the message of don't **** with us. A serial killer wouldn't target them, hence your question is pointless imo. Serial killers don't commit acts of violence against groups of people, just multiple individuals...
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:43 pm

tokeless wrote: If I asked you what would win in a fight.. a shark or a tiger what would the answer be, other than why or how would they meet for the fight in the first place?

A serial killer wouldn't target them, hence your question is pointless imo.


Exactly. But Lost123 enjoys taking a sliver of information, e.g. a comment in a Psych Today article about serial killers, presumably targeting drug dealers, and then uses his fantasy world to create these shark vs. tiger hypotheticals.

Given the questions are entirely divorced from reality, I also find them rather pointless. But my geek side enjoys the hypothetical.

In his fantasy world all drug dealers are connected to the Colombian mafia or the Yakuza. He creates, in his mind, some Gotham city fantasy land where gangs are ran by a criminal mastermind.

A serial killer has to be diligent in such a world. They can't just kill your average drug dealer with child support payments and some outstanding parking tickets. Those types of drug dealers don't exist in fantasy land. And serial killers can't target innocent young women, because in fantasy land super heroes might catch them.

Now in my fantasy land, the serial killer has talent. The police have been chasing her for decades, but she doesn't leave any clues. Drug dealer after drug dealer has gone missing. Gangs don't even know she exists, typically blaming a rival gang when a drug dealer goes missing. It's a blood bath as the gangs go after each other and she uses this to her advantage.

Now, I think a shark vs. a tiger is very similar to a tuna vs. a lion. And we all know how that turns out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDJgv1iARPg
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