A Few Words On Censorship

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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:35 pm

Johnson's career now in tatters. While ordinary people were told to avoid any social contact, Johnson and his entourage held a "bring your own booze banquet". Why? Because Johnson knows it is safe to socialise and that propaganda exists "for the masses".
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#991

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:42 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote: Measles jabs worked. Covid jabs do not.


A bit subtle, but the degree to which the COVID jab worked is important.

Covid jabs “worked” to the degree they help reduce severity. The problem, in my opinion, is that this was not a sufficient reason to basically up end the world, closing economies and schools, etc. In other words, the jabs “worked” but made such a negligible difference in outcomes it wasn’t worth the other consequences.

To clarify, the jabs only really helped with Delta. The jab was not available during the 1st wave and it isn’t needed for Omicron. So governments around the world have basically destroyed public trust, threatened peoples jobs and freedoms, imposing any number of mandates and spewed misinformation and for what gain? So they could push a jab that has proven to only reduce severity in a virus that is now highly infectious but non life threatening (regardless of jab).

I don’t think it is fair to compare a measle jab to a covid jab. Granted, given the bull$hit spewed by the govt/media I think everyone expected they work in a similar manner, but they didn’t.

And again, I do understand much of this was hindsight bias. We simply didn’t know. I guess what continues to piss me off is how instead of acknowledging the decisions made were wrong, like typical politicians they double down.
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Postby Candid » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:33 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:Covid jabs “worked” to the degree they help reduce severity.

How can that possibly be proved?? Our tokeless and his wife got sick after having the jabs. A woman whose father died said it would have been worse if he hadn't had the jabs. Seriously, WTF?? This is what they're told ergo this is what they believe.

Recently I saw my bestie for the first time in more than two years. Lyn is all things to all people, still working fulltime. She used to live in this town but now she's far away. Her mother is still here, still determinedly independent in that she doesn't want to move away from her friends and her usual routine.

Lyn had told me she and her son had both been very ill "with covid". She was continuously coughing when I saw her and assured me she'd been tested (lateral flow) and was no longer ill or contagious. FFS, like I might be worried about sitting with her. I said I'm hesitant to ask, but did you and David have the "vaccine"? Yes, they did; and like tokeless and his wife they were very ill afterwards. Lyn "had to" be jabbed because she goes to the office. I'd hoped she was working at home and had the wit to say no, but if she has time to watch anything it would be the mainstream government propaganda. Same is probably true of her son, a man with mental health problems who's never going to live independently but manages to hold a job as a waiter in a restaurant.

So I'll say it again: The "variants" are in the jabs. This is a good one: https://www.bitchute.com/video/LpddqLFBy3bV/

This time last year I did a Freedom of Information thing with the ONS, All-Causes Mortality in England and Wales for 2020. I had the final tally in mid-January and saw an unexpected (by the ONS) rise in the death rate when they started jabbing the elderly and vulnerable in December.

Now they're doing what can only be called obfuscation with the 2021 stats. I'm dealing with a different employee there, but that would make no difference. Can't get a straight answer to All-Causes Mortality in England and Wales for 2021, just a list of categories: ten of them, of which eight are covid-related. :roll: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

So now Our Johnson says omicron isn't as dangerous as they thought (he managed not to say "as deadly as we hoped") and "the rules" will end this month. There's been so much action on this and I'm proud to be a part of it, but I remain wary. Last year it was all coming to an end on July 19, and nothing changed; he'd made the same declaration in December 2020, with five conditions: a reduction in the number of deaths; hospital admissions decreasing; a rapid fall in the number of cases; the continued successful rollout of the "vaccine"; and no new variants that could put the UK's progress at risk. Which of these statistics is NOT under government control? The NHS is now firing any employee who isn't jabbed and coronahoax-compliant by April. ICU nurses have seen what the jabs actually do, so a lot of them have quit while others have ben fired. Would YOU accept death by lethal injection to keep yur job? It's easy for me, now officially an OAP, not so easy for my darling Lyn who has a mortgage to pay and a dependent son.

Going by that Our Johnson's probably going to declare it almost over every six months. They expect/plan a rapid but not-enough reduction in the global population by 2025, when they roll out the SPARS pandemic https://publishwall.si/mozetic.uros/pos ... a-covid-19, after which only ten per cent of the riff-raff will be alive, all of them tracked, controlled, as subservient and malleable as they're showing themselves to be now: begging for jabs, believing it will all be over one day if only they do exactly as they're told.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:33 pm

Candid wrote:How can that possibly be proved??


It's pretty darn easy.

You take the populations that have been jabbed, e.g. the UK or Gibraltar, and you take populations that have not been jabbed, e.g. Haiti or Mali, and you compare results.

It's not like excellent sample sizes don't exist with control and experimental groups. In terms of proof, this is a slam dunk.

But like flat earthers, there are always stories we can create to explain away a UK vs. Haiti or a Gibraltar vs. Mali comparison.
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Postby tokeless » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:05 pm

Candid... neither myself or my wife were very ill at all. Yes, we had symptoms but they were just flu like and surprise, surprise, we never died from the death jab. We have since been boosterd and alive and kicking.
You seem to still choose to create your own narrative at the expense of what actually happened. I look forward to 9//11 when we review reality. Until then, maybe create people who fit your version of the truth and leave me out
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:25 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
Candid wrote:How can that possibly be proved??


It's pretty darn easy.

You take the populations that have been jabbed, e.g. the UK or Gibraltar, and you take populations that have not been jabbed, e.g. Haiti or Mali, and you compare results.

It's not like excellent sample sizes don't exist with control and experimental groups. In terms of proof, this is a slam dunk.

But like flat earthers, there are always stories we can create to explain away a UK vs. Haiti or a Gibraltar vs. Mali comparison.


It again struck me today. Yes, we're overpopulated and, yes, we need to consider pollution. I say that because the roads were yet again blocked by traffic.
However, the very simple point is that by hiking fuel a huge amount can be achieved. There is simply no need to vaccinate people to reduce population. In fact, we don't even need to reduce population at all - just pollution.
So, if we accept Candid's take that the vaccines are part of a plan to control population, it's a pretty lame way to go about it. I mean are the people behind it morons? Are they that dumb?
The truth is industry is the problem not people. Too many cars, factories, fumes and exhausts. Just by hiking fuel you could reduce crowded roads. Other measures would also accomplish far more than "smart poisons". By the time, say, Tokeless drops altogether from his dose, pollution will have already climbed even higher.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:37 pm

The complexity of conspiracy is, yes, there do exist globalist, economic interest groups. These groups also tend to over-ride elected governments. So, here, I accept Candid's outlook. However, it's a jump to take the view there's a concrete plot to reduce global population via vaccines. The weakness of it is that vaccines are too slow and more frictional. You could simply hit corporations with green policies, use high taxes and actively reduce industrial output. Results would be instant. Although these "groups" of globalists exist, we risk projecting cultural ideas of "Spectra" from Dr No (James Bond)
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:49 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote:It again struck me today. Yes, we're overpopulated…


Says who? The world could potential go to 16 or even 34 billion and result in what exactly? You don’t know, I don’t know, the experts don’t know.

With more people comes more innovation, more ideas and more development of technology that continues to solve old problems and create new problems.

I see a world with carbon capture, ocean farms, desalination, renewable energy, etc. There is plenty of land available.
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Postby tokeless » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:49 pm

So, if we accept Candid's take that the vaccines are part of a plan to control population, it's a pretty lame way to go about it. I mean are the people behind it morons? Are they that dumb?

We can't accept it for the sake of argument because there is zero evidence for that belief. The rationale for doing it has already been laughed out. There is no plan to reduce the population via killer vaccines David, so let's not visit la la land again
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:11 pm

tokeless wrote:So, if we accept Candid's take that the vaccines are part of a plan to control population, it's a pretty lame way to go about it. I mean are the people behind it morons? Are they that dumb?

We can't accept it for the sake of argument because there is zero evidence for that belief. The rationale for doing it has already been laughed out. There is no plan to reduce the population via killer vaccines David, so let's not visit la la land again


I will accept Candid's overall motivation that governments are acting very suspiciously. And that has fanned the flames of conspiracy ideology. Why policy became so extreme is beyond me. I mean, why shoot protesters dead in Holland? Why threaten to imprison the unvaccinated in Austria? That's fascism. It's criminality. Although I do disagree with the view the vaccine is a deliberate poison, Candid is correct to state many people are at risk. Why? Because the vaccine was rushed out prematurely, due to envy over Sputnik as a marketable drug revenue. Drug companies removed legal barriers and governments coerced working classes to take risks. And that after thalidomide. Not acceptable. The only difference of view is hardcore conspiracy people believe the vaccine is a weapon. Some of us don't go that far. I see it as a reckless, arrogant move to try and somehow "outsmart" Darwin's evolution - a delusion that asserts we don't need to get ill. We should shun contact and produce a frail generation of children. It's insanity. At least, I suppose, conspiracy has thrawted to some degree this madness around us. That's one plus.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:35 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote: Why policy became so extreme is beyond me. I mean, why shoot protesters dead in Holland? Why threaten to imprison the unvaccinated in Austria? That's fascism. It's criminality.


Tyrannical. Many governments have gone too far. There will be a price. I only hope it stays limited to a political price and nothing more.

I see it as a reckless, arrogant move to try and somehow "outsmart" Darwin's evolution - a delusion that asserts we don't need to get ill.


Agreed. Human arrogance. We screwed around with manipulating a virus and it was released from a lab. And now more human arrogance has led to where we are today.

As stated in previous comments I think much of what took place was well intentioned and people were willing to put their faith in governance. But two years in, we have crossed the Rubicon. At this point you either acknowledge the governments screwed up and need to be voted out/replaced, or you are going to vote for more tyranny. Anybody that would continue to support more shots, more masks, more closures, vax passports, etc. is willing to risk repeating the mistakes of history. This means they either haven’t studied history or for some reason they are so afraid of the virus that they are willing to give away their natural rights, to surrender basic freedoms.

Edit: granted this is a country by country, region by region issue.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:13 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
davidbanner99@ wrote: Why policy became so extreme is beyond me. I mean, why shoot protesters dead in Holland? Why threaten to imprison the unvaccinated in Austria? That's fascism. It's criminality.


Tyrannical. Many governments have gone too far. There will be a price. I only hope it stays limited to a political price and nothing more.

I see it as a reckless, arrogant move to try and somehow "outsmart" Darwin's evolution - a delusion that asserts we don't need to get ill.


Agreed. Human arrogance. We screwed around with manipulating a virus and it was released from a lab. And now more human arrogance has led to where we are today.

As stated in previous comments I think much of what took place was well intentioned and people were willing to put their faith in governance. But two years in, we have crossed the Rubicon. At this point you either acknowledge the governments screwed up and need to be voted out/replaced, or you are going to vote for more tyranny. Anybody that would continue to support more shots, more masks, more closures, vax passports, etc. is willing to risk repeating the mistakes of history. This means they either haven’t studied history or for some reason they are so afraid of the virus that they are willing to give away their natural rights, to surrender basic freedoms.

Edit: granted this is a country by country, region by region issue.


It happened with dogs. German shepherds, labradors and danes all go off their back legs, due to breeding errors. My GSD at 13 was struck by the condition. Nature instead designed the wolf so wolves are, of course, healthier. So, to tamper with our immunity is simply foolish and likely doomed to fail miserably.
Then, for that matter, look at rats. They are gradually developing immunity to poisons. Why? Darwins evolution. Any chemicals placed in the organism will trigger "something" at some point. More likely in children.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLMiKyH37pM
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:54 pm

Is it true for the UK? If so it is a good sign.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... x-mandate/

I can’t seem to find any decent non conservative media reporting on it.

Edit… I see the Guardian still pushing the fear.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ing-policy
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Postby tokeless » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:12 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:Is it true for the UK? If so it is a good sign.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... x-mandate/

I can’t seem to find any decent non conservative media reporting on it.

Edit… I see the Guardian still pushing the fear.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ing-policy


The guardian are just promoting the anti Johnson agenda, which I think is fine by me because he's a corrupted moron. The actual advice is not scare mongering or it would advise still wearing masks... if anything its the teachers worrying.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:25 pm

tokeless wrote:The guardian are just promoting the anti Johnson agenda, which I think is fine by me because he's a corrupted moron.


That’s the issue. The media pushes an agenda and people are fine with it and lap it up as long as it supports their own feelings. I see the conservatives doing the same crap with Biden. Every headline is negative. Granted he is a corrupt moron, but it is NOT fine by me.

But that’s the world we live in. You can’t get the actual news.

if anything its the teachers worrying.


And why are they worried? After 2 friggin years and basically 0.00001% deaths of children, what legitimate fear do teachers have? These same teachers who go out to eat and take their masks off? These same teachers who know, or should know, that masking does nothing to protect anyone. And at the same time, they know it hurts the ability of children to learn and to socialize.

How are teachers surviving in all these other countries wear children don’t use masks? How is it possible? The teachers still endorsing masks are ignorant.
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