A Few Words On Censorship

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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:54 pm

tokeless wrote:A lot of job vacancies are due to various factors, such as businesses going bust because of covid.


COVID does not cause a business to go bust.

Look at Sweden. Like all other countries, they were not immune to COVID. Their economy remained open. Look at any number of countries around the world that businesses did not go bust. How is that possible? The same virus, yet in many countries businesses did not go bust. How? Why?

Because COVID is not the cause. The government’s response to the virus is the cause.

If you think tyranny is causing it,


During the initial outbreak a lot of governments implemented unprecedented emergency mandates. This gave leaders more power than ever before. The power was supposed to be temporary.

And while in hindsight we can look around the world and can see how these mandates were less than effective, during the initial outbreak I can see how people were willing to reasonably work together to try and minimize the impacts of the virus. No one understood or had enough information to make informed decisions. That’s not the case anymore.

Going on two years, we are witnessing localized yet widespread tyranny. We are seeing cruel and oppressive mandates that divide citizens against one another. Not everywhere, eg not in Sweden or Colombia, but in other countries, in other regions of the world.
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#331

Postby tokeless » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:09 pm

COVID does not cause a business to go bust.

Well, according to the owners of many businesses it does. How other countries manage is a reasonable point but makes little difference to these businesses... it's like complaining about fuel prices here and being told, in other countries it costs more.... and? I think you're playing semantics here, because yes, covid the disease didn't close them directly and it was the management plan, ie lockdown closes the business, but it could still be regarded as covid Richard.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:48 pm

tokeless wrote: I think you're playing semantics here, because yes, covid the disease didn't close them directly and it was the management plan, ie lockdown closes the business, but it could still be regarded as covid Richard.


It’s not semantics. It’s attribution error. We all tend to blame whatever makes us feel more comfortable. Whatever lessens our cognitive dissonance is how we frame the issue. This is human nature.

When we don’t want to admit that that we made a mistake, we attribute error to some external cause, e.g. “It wasn’t our fault the Titanic sunk, it was the iceberg.”

This makes us feel better. It reduces the pain of regret. It can be hard for us to acknowledge that the government made bad decisions and caused the ship to sink.
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Postby tokeless » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:53 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
tokeless wrote: I think you're playing semantics here, because yes, covid the disease didn't close them directly and it was the management plan, ie lockdown closes the business, but it could still be regarded as covid Richard.


It’s not semantics. It’s attribution error. We all tend to blame whatever makes us feel more comfortable. Whatever lessens our cognitive dissonance is how we frame the issue. This is human nature.

When we don’t want to admit that that we made a mistake, we attribute error to some external cause, e.g. “It wasn’t our fault the Titanic sunk, it was the iceberg.”

This makes us feel better. It reduces the pain of regret. It can be hard for us to acknowledge that the government made bad decisions and caused the ship to sink.


The bad decision was to not avoid the iceberg... the iceberg is still what caused the damage to the ship though.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:28 pm

tokeless wrote:The bad decision was to not avoid the iceberg... the iceberg is still what caused the damage to the ship though.


Exactly my point. Attribution error.

What causes a person to die when falling from a significant height? The ground. So the ground is to blame for the death? Or might there be another cause?

If we want to prevent people from death by ground or death by iceberg, we might want to dig a bit deeper as to determine other causes. And as we dig, we might have to acknowledge our own mistakes, our own responsibility.

As in my previous response, it is human nature to seek the cause that makes us feel better, that removes regret and reduces cognitive dissonance. It is hard for us to acknowledge that we are to blame, not the iceberg.
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Postby tokeless » Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:29 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
tokeless wrote:The bad decision was to not avoid the iceberg... the iceberg is still what caused the damage to the ship though.


Exactly my point. Attribution error.

What causes a person to die when falling from a significant height? The ground. So the ground is to blame for the death? Or might there be another cause?

If the person didn't fall they wouldn't have hit the ground. What made them fall is then important to establish. The ground is the ground, so fall from less a height and you could avoid death.. it's the same ground, the height is what increases the chances of injury/death

If we want to prevent people from death by ground or death by iceberg, we might want to dig a bit deeper as to determine other causes. And as we dig, we might have to acknowledge our own mistakes, our own responsibility.

So, the businesses that failed did so because of what they did or didn't do?

As in my previous response, it is human nature to seek the cause that makes us feel better, that removes regret and reduces cognitive dissonance. It is hard for us to acknowledge that we are to blame, not the iceberg.


So, how does that relate to the beach guys? Were they to blame for being there? For me, it's not about making myself feel better, nor do I regret in this instance.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:38 pm

According to the BBC, out of 12 million mortalities you could expect about 24 deaths that relate to children. In other words, risk to children is minimal. From the onset, it was claimed only those with very poor health were at risk.
Despite that, politicians are pushing ahead to risk the health of thousands of kids as they arrogantly assert they know better. Clearly the risk of introducing experimental vaccones into healthy children easily outweighs the actual risk posed by any flu virus.
I wonder what will happen if just a dozen kids fall seriously ill?
As things stand the media is moaning about protests outside schools. In my view, that boils down to how the protests are carried out. If factual and accurate information is made available to those concerned, personally I think we need that awareness. Politicians have most definitely provoked the situation, attempting to take consent from parents to the children (minors with limited information).
If I were a parent I'd be pretty much fuming at what could happen in this case. How do you know the kids aren't being deceived into thinking they must sign a waiver form? I will bet lots of pressure is being put on pupils and manipulation. Some parents in California are taking their kids out of school. In other countries, protesters are gathering at schools and handing out leaflets. The impression I get is this is having some effect. Corbyn's son is actively involved in the protests.
The only comment I can make is it just seems really abusive to to put those at risk who never were at risk. And who is making money out this venture? Behind a zero compensation or liability clause should health issues surface.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:20 pm

tokeless wrote: For me, it's not about making myself feel better, nor do I regret in this instance.


Of course not. In this instance you blame the iceberg. You blame the ground. You blame COVID. It’s easier that way.

Attribution error is not a conscious, deliberate effort to make ourselves feel a certain way. It is very much an intuitive process.

So, how does that relate to the beach guys? Were they to blame for being there?


If we follow your logic, COVID is to blame for them getting a ticket. They just made a decision to go to the beach, but COVID got in the way (dang iceberg).

If we follow my logic, the beach guys are primarily to blame for getting a ticket.
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Postby tokeless » Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:38 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
tokeless wrote: For me, it's not about making myself feel better, nor do I regret in this instance.


Of course not. In this instance you blame the iceberg. You blame the ground. You blame COVID. It’s easier that way.


No, no... I didn't blame covid per se. I'm using covid to describe what is happening now.. a bit like during the war is used to explain the situation.

Attribution error is not a conscious, deliberate effort to make ourselves feel a certain way. It is very much an intuitive process.

So, how does that relate to the beach guys? Were they to blame for being there?


If we follow your logic, COVID is to blame for them getting a ticket. They just made a decision to go to the beach, but COVID got in the way (dang iceberg)

Again, no I didn't or don't blame covid for that. They got a ticket for what they did wrong, which was to make the decision to go the beach, knowing they were breaking the rules. Nowhere did I blame covid.

If we follow my logic, the beach guys are primarily to blame for getting a ticket.


Exactly. That's what I said initially. A consequence of that decision.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:51 pm

tokeless wrote:Exactly. That's what I said initially. A consequence of that decision.


Yes.

And a consequence of the government mandates has been ruining people’s livelihoods and protests. Consequences of those decisions.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:07 pm

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Postby Candid » Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:24 am

davidbanner99@ wrote:As tension continues to ratchet up, fringes of the anti vax groups will likely become radicalised.
Tabloids are referring to anti-vaxers as "thugs" or falsely claiming not having vaccines poses a risk to others. Of course, the term "anti-vaccine" is misleading.

Yes, It is.

Calling these dangerous jabs "vaccines" is also misleading, to put it mildly. https://www.afinalwarning.com/563388.html

And as long as people know about this, calling the lethal injections "vaccines" is playing into the coronahoaxers' hands.
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Postby Candid » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:14 am

davidbanner99@ wrote:there were clear signs of hypochondria and paranoia before the virus psychosis. Whereas a lot of people feel the population is being manipulated and controlled, what I notice is much of the hysteria is in the population itself. [...] You see these people every day, spraying door-knobs, driving around in masks.

We have many more stimuli now, and many more things to think about, than did people in the 1940s. You mentioned Darwin, whose entire theory was based on environmental change and selection pressures. In previous generations children were treated as mini adults, and dressed as such. Teenage and adolescence weren't acknowledged. All generations enjoyed the same popular music.

No one can keep up with everything any more; we have to choose where we'll put our focus. Educational standards have been declining year on year. We have to "trust the experts" until, as now, it becomes clear many of our experts have been corrupted.

populations today have little education in basic science.

Because we’re forced to specialise, and that means we have to trust others. Logic and critical thinking have been the casualties, but if we don’t trust others, because we can’t, we’re looking at the slippery slope towards clinical paranoia.

We were ripe for it, certainly, and for the first time in our history the technology was in place for the coronahoax to be launched. Who was it who said “anything that can happen, will happen”?
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Postby Candid » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:22 am

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:During the initial outbreak a lot of governments implemented unprecedented emergency mandates. This gave leaders more power than ever before. The power was supposed to be temporary.

Supposed by the masses, yes, but not by their governments. A global dictatorship in which all survivors' every movement would be tracked and controlled was clearly the goal from the start.
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Postby Candid » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:41 am

davidbanner99@ wrote:I wonder what will happen if just a dozen kids fall seriously ill?

Babies are dying in utero because their mothers were told the jabs are "safe and effective" for pregnant women, does that count?

There's also footage of a baby born palsied because its mother had the jab.

If factual and accurate information is made available to those concerned, personally I think we need that awareness.

You won't see it in mainstream media.

The only comment I can make is it just seems really abusive to to put those at risk who never were at risk.

The risk to anyone in reasonable health is miniscule. Only the very old and very ill are dying of WuFlu.
The same can't be said of the jabs.
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