A Few Words On Censorship

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Postby Candid » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:43 pm

tokeless wrote:I noticed that everything Australian was the biggest/best in the southern hemisphere,

Oh yes. Quite funny when you consider what else is actually IN the southern hemisphere!

I thought the country was stunning but the people quite closed minded and OZ right or wrong.

Snap again.

I'll admit I get pangs for the lovely beaches, especially in Queensland where you can often have one to yourself. In England we travel for hours on congested roads to get to any beach at all. There'll be only half-a dozen people if the weather's foul, standing room only on sunny days. Pristine coral sand as opposed to pebbles that hurt tender feet, and most people's feet ARE tender because the climate demands pretty much year-round footwear.

That being said, I'm glad I came back when I did because that video was a good representation of what's going on. As far as I can see the law is no longer on the side of the people anywhere in the formerly free world. Freedom of association went first; freedom of speech followed; privacy is about to be a thing of the past. https://reclaimthenet.org/victoria-man- ... ht-months/

I don't like where we're headed. I couldn't get into Orwell's famous book originally—it was "too far-fetched"—but now it looks like he pretty much wrote the script.
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Postby tokeless » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:16 pm

Orwell was a visionary really and his most famous book is a template for authoritarian government. Even before the internet could be imagined he wrote about Big Brother and the panoptican. All it required was our acceptance of the all seeing eyes and our reluctance to question. Today, we carry tracking devices and we input our lives and movements in to them... the dependence on these gadgets almost by design but presented as benign has us gripped. To opt out is to drop out of society because we are moving more and more in to online lives for everything. If you want an appointment book on line, information, look on line... within 5 years we will have no use for money, just digital credits. The circle is completed as there will be nothing not traced, tracked or known of. Of course, I don't believe I am of any importance to the spying eyes, but if I sought information or association with things seen as subversive or a threat, I am visible. This guy in the link was naive to use the net to send his message but how else can get it heard? Unless we go back to meeting in back rooms or cellars it is hard to find privacy. I think we have already crossed the Rubicon Candid and as with sheep, lead one and the rest follow. Unless we, as a collective decide to ditch the technology it will keep us slaves.... we will never do such a thing because the narcissistic self needs it to show we are here, needy and want to be validated to prove we exist or mean something.... to someone. Conspiracy theory is the tool to demonise the questioner.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:16 pm

Agree with the above except over the image conspiracy theorists have been adopting.
Now, myself I took a negative stand towards the Iraq War, Afghan invasion and, more recently, the forced vaccine agenda. All the rushed, ill-conceived policies championed by limited political leaders. My stand was always based on liberal values, as well as (hopefully) an ability to think ahead. That is, I opposed the Afghan invasion because basic logic suggested 9/11 was linked to poor security. I'd have approved beefing up flight security and security as a whole. Same goes for Covid - yet, as ever politicians just grandstand and create a huge mess waiting to happen.
Unfortunately, it seems I have few allies who actually strive for libertarian values and a need to make positive changes. The conspiracy theorists I met on the large forums don't seem to be at all libertarian. Most of the output was based upon posting messages hours at a time. I could have easily made myself popular by blaming Israel for our current crisis and adding it's a "New World Order".
My guess is not all protesters spend their days simply finding scapegoats so I can only hope those people aren't a majority. I found better ways to use my time and mostly forums are off my agenda.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:08 pm

Thing to consider is how conspiracy theory can capitalise over a social injustice, to push an equally sinister agenda. For example, Christians were scapegoated with causing the great fire of Rome under Nero. In reality, the urban poor lived in squalid, crowded blocks where fire could easily break out. The conspiracy then claimed Christians had started the fire on purpose. They were rounded up and persecuted.
In all modern cases, whatever crime or misfortune takes place, we are told it's a New World Order. When Afghanistan was invaded after 9/11 scores of people said, "Don't you see? It's a New World Order!" It would be a relief if those same people could now explain why the much vaunted illuminati are now trying a new, New World Order that runs 360 degrees contrary to the old New World Order (In the Middle East)
In short, the illuminati aren't having much luck. Hopefully when people finally realise on their own that the vaccine is no miracle cure, we might hopefully see the back of the newest New World Order.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:24 pm

Beware of Fate. I came within seconds of a fatal accident last Saturday. I was still doing my training fitness bike ride, when a girl's car wheel exploded in front of me. The car spun around, hit a tree and started to smoke. I went to the vehicle and a young girl came out in hysterics. She had done nothing wrong and had been driving to her shift. The wheel just blew and exploded. Axle was twisted. Police and ambulance came and I think they were going to treat her for shock. We all told the girl what mattered was she was unharmed.
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Postby Candid » Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:58 am

tokeless wrote:Conspiracy theory is the tool to demonise the questioner.

My conspiracy theories are one by one becoming conspiracy facts.
Transhumanism is one of the goals: a medically altered version of people, marching into the future.

So here's another one: in a complete turnaround of normal population growth, there will be far FEWER of us this time next year.
And then it gets worse.
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/world- ... -document/
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:51 pm

Candid wrote:
tokeless wrote:Conspiracy theory is the tool to demonise the questioner.

My conspiracy theories are one by one becoming conspiracy facts.
Transhumanism is one of the goals: a medically altered version of people, marching into the future.

So here's another one: in a complete turnaround of normal population growth, there will be far FEWER of us this time next year.
And then it gets worse.
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/world- ... -document/

I likewise take the view the Biblical God was the result of an encounter between Moses, the Hebrews and astronauts. Check out The Genius Of The Few by Christien O Brien.
However, this isn't in my view "a conspiracy theory" but the assumed, natural distortion of history. If God was a group of astronauts, I guess it was a case of communicating with a very primative population of human beings via religious code.
As to Covid, personally I doubt there was any master plan. At the time of 9/11 people were likewise saying it had all been planned. Nobody pondered the most obvious - very poor defence awareness, similar to that which enabled a private light aircraft to land bang in Red Square in the Gorebachev era.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:01 pm

Of course, all in all, I chose to reject the large site I was on. Partly it was the negativity and dismissal of protesters as undercover government agents. That is, some 10,000 London protesters were assumed to be stooges. Likewise, the connections they make to race and support of Hitler. Added to the cherry picking of views that agree only with their own. My take is to change things for the better it's better to speak openly and actively support real democracy.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:18 pm

At the time of 9/11 people were likewise saying it had all been planned. Nobody pondered the most obvious - very poor defence awareness.

It has been acknowledged by Condoleeza Rice and others that they had Intel of an imminent attack using passenger planes. They knew the planes were possibly hijacked and delayed the response. Added to this, on the same day they did a practice run of a hijacking of passenger planes, thus diverting and delaying the reaction times of the fighter jets. Hence "Is this real world?" request from one pilot. Chaney delayed the reaction as he was in charge that day. That's just one inconsistency from that day. The amount of scientific evidence is staggering and the refusal to investigate it other than the totally flawed 9/11 commission, which has been shown to be utterly inaccurate is concerning, considering the world was changed forever after that event. I find it strange how people can believe totally in God but think this event was just some innocent error of judgement.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:55 pm

tokeless wrote:At the time of 9/11 people were likewise saying it had all been planned. Nobody pondered the most obvious - very poor defence awareness.

It has been acknowledged by Condoleeza Rice and others that they had Intel of an imminent attack using passenger planes. They knew the planes were possibly hijacked and delayed the response. Added to this, on the same day they did a practice run of a hijacking of passenger planes, thus diverting and delaying the reaction times of the fighter jets. Hence "Is this real world?" request from one pilot. Chaney delayed the reaction as he was in charge that day. That's just one inconsistency from that day. The amount of scientific evidence is staggering and the refusal to investigate it other than the totally flawed 9/11 commission, which has been shown to be utterly inaccurate is concerning, considering the world was changed forever after that event. I find it strange how people can believe totally in God but think this event was just some innocent error of judgement.

Let's look at the overall context and forward one very simple probability: Namely that intelligence was so substandard from the onset that the goalposts were wide open. To give an example, Asperger patient Gary Mckinnon years ago easily hacked into NASA - which caused outrage in the U.S. Gary stated the cyber security he encountered was awfully bad. The same applies on a wider scale. Conspiracy theory claims such events are all part of "the plan" so any glaring lapses in security are attributed to the usual illuminati, zionists or secret societies. Even if we accepted the conspiracy idea as valid, how on earth has the Afghan or Iraq venture paid off? It cost billions of dollars for that matter. There is a very obvious alternative. Events like 9/11 or the great fire of Rome or the sinking of Titanic happened due to apathy and misjudgement. Subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were likely a mix of pressure groups in oil and fundamentalist think-tanks. It resulted in failed policy as it lacked grounding in reality, I believe. Covid I figure is the same mix of pressure groups, lack of real science and refusal by those in power to accept disagreement (just as they did over Iraq). Conspiracy groups, I guess, will continue to live behind their monitors and source other web pages that happily blame secret societies or ethnic groups. I'm not having a go at people who simply suspect hidden agendas, but just urge caution. What is worrying is the absence of real books or plain basic observation and context on those popular conspiracy sites. At least that's my view.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:13 pm

In cases of paranoia especially, the mind seeks some order amongst external chaos. Hitler suffered from pathological fear and hatred of scapegoats he associated with the humiliation of his country. The same way in psychosis, a person may hate women, or even sex-workers or gay people. When fear and anxiety builds within it has to have an object to offload on. Socially it could be Reds, Bourgeoisie, Trotskyists, Jehovas Witnesses and so on.
Not all but "some" conspiracy groups promote fear and resentment and seek someone to blame. They express outrage over censorship directed at them but totally endorse censorship should their view be challenged. As E Bleuler noted decades ago, ambivalence in psychology bases perception of reality on base instinct and not logic. Data that might challenge the desired view is rejected and blotted out. This now happens in the media and in politics. At least that's the psychology perspective.
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Postby Candid » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:47 am

davidbanner99@ wrote: this isn't in my view "a conspiracy theory"

I think what you mean to say is that all governments uniting to first terrify and then reduce the global population of humans via poisonous jabs (among other things) and control the movements of anyone left standing apart from the ultra-rich wasn't a conspiracy.

I respectfully disagree.
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Postby Candid » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:02 am

davidbanner99@ wrote:Not all but "some" conspiracy groups promote fear and resentment and seek someone to blame.

Our governments are doing all that quite openly, getting jabbed and unjabbed people to blame each other for continuing mask mandates, lockdowns, and forced "vaccinations".

Anyone still capable of rational thought when tuning in to fearmongering mainstream media would know
1) Last year there was no excess mortality in any country
2) Given the relative sizes of air particles and viruses, any mask that admitted air would admit viruses even more easily
3) The locking-down of public buildings has caused many more deaths than WuFlu
4) The death tolls started to go up when the jab rollout began
5) The jabs can't possibly have been long-term tested. It takes years if not decades
6) We've never had a vaccine against ANY coronavirus, of which the common cold is one. It can't be done
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:08 pm

Candid wrote:
davidbanner99@ wrote:Not all but "some" conspiracy groups promote fear and resentment and seek someone to blame.

Our governments are doing all that quite openly, getting jabbed and unjabbed people to blame each other for continuing mask mandates, lockdowns, and forced "vaccinations".

Anyone still capable of rational thought when tuning in to fearmongering mainstream media would know
1) Last year there was no excess mortality in any country
2) Given the relative sizes of air particles and viruses, any mask that admitted air would admit viruses even more easily
3) The locking-down of public buildings has caused many more deaths than WuFlu
4) The death tolls started to go up when the jab rollout began
5) The jabs can't possibly have been long-term tested. It takes years if not decades
6) We've never had a vaccine against ANY coronavirus, of which the common cold is one. It can't be done

Aren't you maybe assuming political leaders these days have some level of competence? I'm suggesting they really are as clueless as you dare imagine. Mckinnon hacked into NASA as the overall security was terrible. Border security has been awful. The Covid crisis strikes me as mass hysteria and backwardness in education. It's the King and his invisible suit. Take a look at Merkel and co in their muzzles and ask yourself. Is she really that deluded or is it all part of a big act, put on to fool the masses. I would say Merkel believes what third rate scientists told her because she assumes they are experts. It's really a huge loss of rationality based on fear and hysteria. We see it with the Russophobia tales of mass hacking and poisonings. I think hysteria was present well before the Covid panic.
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Postby quietvoice » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:28 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote:
or is it all part of a big act, put on to fool the masses.

BINGO!!!

Unless you get through your head that this is a genocidal program in implementation, you will continue to be confused.

"Political "leaders"" are puppets in this implementation of the genocidal program.
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