A Few Words On Censorship

#945

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:25 pm

I’m not sure what the Wiki link about Trump being accused of racism is suppose to demonstrate.

The very first paragraph…

“Donald Trump, a former president of the United States, has a history of speech and actions that have been viewed by some scholars and others as racist or white supremacist. Journalists, friends, family, and former employees have accused him of fueling racism in the United States. Trump has repeatedly denied accusations of racism,[1][2] and some people he has worked with claim that he is not racist.”

That a high profile political figure that uses abrasive language is accused of racism, doesn’t translate to racism. You get that, right?

I don’t know how it is in the UK, but in the US if you breath the wrong way you are accused of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.

Sports teams are changing their names. Foods with any hint of “cultural appropriation” are being rebranded or removed from the shelves. Is that not happening in the UK tokeless?

The bar for what is racism has been set so low, that it is used by the media as a cudgel.

A few months ago the border patrol was using horses to do of all things, patrol the border. A photographer took a picture at just the right angle to imply the illegal immigrants were being “whipped”.

Are you not experiencing the “cancel culture” in the UK, where anything and everything is racist or at least implied to be racist?

Give me an example of actual widespread racism in the USA. Give me an example where the color of a person’s skin is the issue. Don’t give me an editorial opinion poll. Don’t give me some liberal college professor ranting about systemic racism. Give me a concrete example.
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#946

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:27 pm

This is your reliable source?

1 in 6 Latinx…

What is a Latinx, tokeless?

https://www.sentencingproject.org/publi ... sparities/
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#947

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:30 pm

What is a Latinx tokeless?
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#948

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:56 pm

You asked for what I read….

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4111266/

Media is garbage. So are non-profit organizations. They put a spin on things to get funded. And I’m not only talking non-profit social activist organizations. Any organization has a motive to paint a picture, to include information that supports the narrative they are pushing and to dismiss or lessen any information that doesn’t support their mission.

And even the articles I read, a health dose of skepticism is useful. Researchers often have agendas as well.

It’s interesting how my advice was to change what you read, and then you post a liberal newspaper and a social justice nonprofit as your sources. No wonder you believe the USA is some big racism hotspot.
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#949

Postby tokeless » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 pm

Okey dokey... nothing to see here. Just plain old fake news and a bias media. Guess we'll just have to disagree again.
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#950

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:48 pm

Yep. We live in different worlds.

Tell me this…is the sudden rise in acid attacks over a period of only a few years in the UK because of white European males in power?
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Postby tokeless » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:53 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:Yep. We live in different worlds.

Tell me this…is the sudden rise in acid attacks over a period of only a few years in the UK because of white European males in power?


I don't know Richard... what does the data say? I'm sure you know or you wouldn't have asked the question.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 pm

Colombia has approximately 100 recorded attacks a year and with a population of around 48 million this makes attacks in Colombia one of the highest per capita. Perpetrators are overwhelmingly men, while victims are mostly women. In recent years Colombian legislators have passed laws to control sale of acid and increase punishment of perpetrators, anyone using any kind of “chemical agent” to physically harm another person will receive a minimum sentence of 12 years imprisonment. If the victim is permanently disfigured, the sentence will be up to 50 years. However, this requires investment in policing resources to ensure cases reach court. Much work is still to be done to improve medical support due to very few specialist burns units in Colombia
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:08 pm

tokeless wrote:I don't know Richard... what does the data say? I'm sure you know or you wouldn't have asked the question.


Do you not think culture might have something to do with it?

And might it be the case that countries that are very accepting of a wide range of cultures become easy targets for disparities across cultures?

My guess is that maybe, just maybe the reason certain crimes are committed by one group versus another or why certain moralities are different, has little if anything to do with the color of a person’s skin, and which skin color has power. Maybe the actual disparity is a result of differences in cultures.

Maybe when one culture doesn’t have such a problem with young girls having sex, and that culture happens to have a different skin color, we should take a step back and not blame the color of of a person’s skin for the disparity in legal ramifications.

Maybe when a person throws acid on someone it has nothing to do with the color of their skin. And maybe the sentence they receive also has nothing to do with their skin color.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:11 pm

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Per capita the UK has one of the highest rates of recorded acid attacks in the world. In 2018, in London alone, corrosive substances were used in 310 crimes, compared to 456 in 2017, and so we have seen a substantial drop according to London Police Figures. However, nationwide there has been an increase in acid attacks with 452 reported crimes in 2017 and 501 reported crimes in 2018. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many of the attacks are part of gang related activities and that acid is becoming the weapon of choice. The UK does not have tight controls on the sale of acid and nor does it have legislation specific to acid attacks. ASTI has campaigned for tighter controls on the sale of acid and a review of sentencing. In the UK, unlike many countries, men make up the majority of victims. Men also tend to be the perpetrators.

Attacks involving acid or other corrosive substances have increased by more than two and a half times the figure from 5 years ago. (2012-2016) 228 recorded crimes in 2012 to 601 in 2016.
2011-1016 - there were more male victims than female victims… male victims were more than double that of female
Most acid attack crimes happened in London, where over 1,200 cases were recorded over the past 5 years. From 2011-1016 there were 1,464 crimes involving acid or corrosive substance.
Northumbria recorded the second highest with 109 recorded attacks, Cambridgeshire had 69 attacks, Hertfordshire 67, Greater Manchester 57 and Humberside 52.
Of the 2078 acid attack crimes recorded for the years 2011-2016 only 414 of those crimes resulted in charges being brought.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:12 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
tokeless wrote:I don't know Richard... what does the data say? I'm sure you know or you wouldn't have asked the question.


Do you not think culture might have something to do with it?

And might it be the case that countries that are very accepting of a wide range of cultures become easy targets for disparities across cultures?

My guess is that maybe, just maybe the reason certain crimes are committed by one group versus another or why certain moralities are different, has little if anything to do with the color of a person’s skin, and which skin color has power. Maybe the actual disparity is a result of differences in cultures.

Maybe when one culture doesn’t have such a problem with young girls having sex, and that culture happens to have a different skin color, we should take a step back and not blame the color of of a person’s skin for the disparity in legal ramifications.

Maybe when a person throws acid on someone it has nothing to do with the color of their skin. And maybe the sentence they receive also has nothing to do with their skin color.


Do you think the reason more black people die at the hands of the police than white people is cultural?
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:57 pm

tokeless wrote:Do you think the reason more black people die at the hands of the police than white people is cultural?


Absolutely it is mostly cultural.

Do I believe that some racists somehow make it through the extensive psychological evaluations, academy, and field training? Yes.

Do I believe that some non-racists become racists after years of dealing with cultures that have different beliefs? Yes.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... n_to_Shoot

Same as acid attacks, honor killings, and perspectives on child sex have ZERO to do with skin color, the same holds true for police related fatalities.

And again, the media doesn’t help. Same as COVID, they stoke up the fear to unbelievable levels. Heck, they have you believing it. What do the numbers actually say?

What are the odds of death at the hands of a police officer in the USA tokeless? Millions upon millions of citizen contacts each year. You know how many deaths? And do you know how many happen when the person is unarmed? And of those do you know how many are racially motivated?

I’ve run the numbers before and can find the source if you really want. But, somehow I don’t think you want to see that it is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver. You don’t want to read that police are less likely to engage in using lethal force than the average citizen.

But hey, that’s okay. You have your widespread racist world to live in and I have my world where cultural differences abound. We both acknowledge that acid attacks and 12 year old girls being trafficked are a reality. We just disagree on if skin color is the actual issue.
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Postby tokeless » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:40 pm

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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:46 pm

For anyone interested. If you think there is a widespread issue of being killed by police in the USA because of racism.

This looks at a 7 year period.

98 million arrests in the USA. Of those, 2,931 were homicide by the officer. That’s deaths of all races and all causes. That gives you a chance of death during an arrest of 0.005%.

So first you must find yourself in contact with an officer. And then the situation must escalate. And only then do you have a 1 in 33,435 chance of death by police officer.

And if you want to really increase your chances of survival, scroll down to table 13. Don’t be committing a violent crime and your chances skyrocket that you will survive.

And out of these handful of cases, how many were because the officer was a racist? Widespread problem? Really?

And here is the city of Chicago. For the same 7 years, 2,835 murders. Of these roughly 70% were committed by one race and were equally victims.

Granted, I wish the world was perfect. No one should be a victim or racism. But at the same time, I’m not going to be blind to the data. The idea that there is some widespread racial shootings by police is bunk.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf

https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-conte ... Report.pdf

Don’t be afraid of the police in the USA or get your impression of them based on the media and well funded social justice activists.

As a quick example, look at how quickly nurses that worked the pandemic were vilified once it served the purposes of the media and politicians.
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#959

Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:48 pm

The Lancet link doesn’t seem to work.
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