Mental regulation

#15

Postby rgsq » Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:55 pm

Yeah I admit that I did not make the effort to understand you this day, I can no longer play the comedy ahah! Yes it goes back but probably in part because I tell myself that my answer must be up to yours, I am not used to discussing this kind of subject a little pushed. Well, maybe I'm taking too much head too ...

Ah maths, useful at all points! The only subject where I have never had too much difficulty!

I admit that I don't know much about it. 12000 views ?? At first I thought you were talking about your youtube videos, why are so many people taking an interest in the subject without reacting? Maybe they don't want to interfere with our conversation, but even so!
For my part the views are not en bloc when I go to the "Anger Management" section, there are 11,633 to be precise.

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Postby Leo Volont » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:46 am

rgsq wrote:Yeah I admit that I did not make the effort to understand you this day, I can no longer play the comedy ahah! Yes it goes back but probably in part because I tell myself that my answer must be up to yours, I am not used to discussing this kind of subject a little pushed. Well, maybe I'm taking too much head too ...

Ah maths, useful at all points! The only subject where I have never had too much difficulty!

I admit that I don't know much about it. 12000 views ?? At first I thought you were talking about your youtube videos, why are so many people taking an interest in the subject without reacting? Maybe they don't want to interfere with our conversation, but even so!
For my part the views are not en bloc when I go to the "Anger Management" section, there are 11,633 to be precise.

Bye!


good morning Rgsq. I suppose you haven't been paying attention to the View Numbers as I have. You see, I keep the Tab for this page always up and every morning I click on the "little circle with an arrow head" to update the page to see if there is anything new, and most of the time the only thing that changes is the Number of Views. So I see them every day, and well, if, in a single day, the number jumps by about 6000, then there is really no way to explain that except by assuming that the Number of Views is being manipulated. Really, I have my own Channel, as you know, and one time some guy left a comment that I should subscribe to some service that could both create new subscribers for me and pile up a lot of views... a way to 'Game' YouTube so that you can get monetized. But, yeah, but I'm puzzled why some Internet Page would go through the trouble. Also, Rgsq, just scroll down and look at all the other Posts. Once I saw such a jump in posts with the post "Frustrating Ferrets".... again, it was about 6000 views in just one day. Really, if "Mental Regulation" and "Frustrating Ferrets" were actually so popularly 'viral', then why no comments?

Yeah, I didn't give you much of an answer the other day. You had been gone so long and then you pick up the conversation assuming that I have it all fresh in my mind. Really, you would need to start it over again and fill me in on what you said and I said, to give me context. OR you could expect me to read up on everything again. Well, NO! I am really sort of committed to this page, but I don't want to carry your load for you. You write in and just FORGET IT and then think you can pick up where you left off. Remember, you're dealing with people here who are no strangers to Anger and you should expect that unless you do everything properly and with consideration, well, then you'd likely be hitting some Triggers. So, what are you doing? Are you tryin to push to see push hard enough to piss off an Anger Management Expert? Well, no. but I'm not going to take 20 minutes to pick up after you either.
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Postby rgsq » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 pm

Ah yes sorry, you were talking about the evolution of the number of views not the number of views as much for me.
Yeah I do not see how this site would pay us attention, that's for sure.


Excuse me if you did not like to have resumed the conversation so long afterwards, for me the conversation being archived on this page, it did not seem problematic to me after rereading to respond appropriately even several weeks later. I also assumed (decidedly the principles ^^) that spacing out the conversation in time would create weekly entertainment for both of you!
In any case know that I never wanted to make you angry and I really like what you write, you have a lot more things to say than me obviously! This is all the more reason why I find myself a little overwhelmed and afraid by not taking my time to answer you in a neglected way.


I think the conversation is coming to an end, unless I create another page to talk about other topics.
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Postby Leo Volont » Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:33 am

rgsq wrote:Ah yes sorry, you were talking about the evolution of the number of views not the number of views as much for me.
Yeah I do not see how this site would pay us attention, that's for sure.


Excuse me if you did not like to have resumed the conversation so long afterwards, for me the conversation being archived on this page, it did not seem problematic to me after rereading to respond appropriately even several weeks later. I also assumed (decidedly the principles ^^) that spacing out the conversation in time would create weekly entertainment for both of you!
In any case know that I never wanted to make you angry and I really like what you write, you have a lot more things to say than me obviously! This is all the more reason why I find myself a little overwhelmed and afraid by not taking my time to answer you in a neglected way.


I think the conversation is coming to an end, unless I create another page to talk about other topics.


Good Morning Rgsq, Yeah, I was probably a bit too gruff. It was probably coming from the Writer/Editor in me. If you notice my own style on my Channel, well, I try to stay away from pronouns but keep spelling out what I am talking about to assure that my reader is able to follow. If I bring up some Same Topic Later, I don't assume my Viewer will remember and I give a short reference. Yeah, I know you didn't mind reading everything, but this is YOUR Post and that puts you in charge of it.

but, yeah, don't put too much weight on me being grumpy.... I am still rather grateful for your visiting my Channel. And so if you posted another thread, well, I'd see that as FUN.
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Postby rgsq » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:34 pm

I was gone in generalities it seems to me, but hey yes it is true that I should have quoted you especially after all this time! Habits that will come from strutting from forum to forum ^^

Hey besides I posted a subject which deals with an existential question in a purely rational way in an other website, I would like to have your opinion as a math teacher if that interests you!
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Postby Leo Volont » Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:35 pm

rgsq wrote:Hey besides I posted a subject which deals with an existential question in a purely rational way in an other website, I would like to have your opinion as a math teacher if that interests you!


Well, yeah, I'm curious. Give me a URL or a comprehensive search term so I can you Post in regards to some Existential Question. Yeah, sounds like fun.
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Postby rgsq » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:13 pm

it is a hypothesis that our existence cannot have meaning if it is not eternal.
it's on a French site so I put it here. I don't think that's a problem, at least until the conversation is restarted by someone else.

Hypothesis :
We could define the value of an existence by the average of the well-being felt during it
But to say that an existence has a value x defined by the average of the good being felt does not include the time that x is felt.
Thus, isolated this value not being subject to time, we can assume that it is felt for eternity.
Now if we submit it to the duration of the existence to which it relates, its value will necessarily be zero since this duration is only an infinitely small fraction in eternity (x / infinity = 0)

it's pretty crazy reasoning but I think it holds up xD It's up to you to tell me!
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Postby Leo Volont » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:05 pm

rgsq wrote:it is a hypothesis that our existence cannot have meaning if it is not eternal.
it's on a French site so I put it here. I don't think that's a problem, at least until the conversation is restarted by someone else.

Hypothesis :
We could define the value of an existence by the average of the well-being felt during it
But to say that an existence has a value x defined by the average of the good being felt does not include the time that x is felt.
Thus, isolated this value not being subject to time, we can assume that it is felt for eternity.
Now if we submit it to the duration of the existence to which it relates, its value will necessarily be zero since this duration is only an infinitely small fraction in eternity (x / infinity = 0)

it's pretty crazy reasoning but I think it holds up xD It's up to you to tell me!


Jeepers! I got an appointment, but I'll get back to this. BUT my first Instinct is that you are unnecessarily trying to fill in for the Eternity that your Opponent asserts is Necessary to establish Value. Why not just say "Screw Him" and focus on the the value of every Now within the broader frame of Eternity. Remember, that Eternity is an Absolute and Absulutes don't really exist, do they? Absolutes are CONCEPTS, not THINGS. So in a REAL Philosophical Discussion, when somebody brings up an Absolute, except Infinity in Math Problems, well, you're just either being Played or the Philosopher on the Other Side hasn't ever thought that far yet. But, yeah, those are just first Instincts.... I'll think about it some more.....
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:10 am

RGSQ: I posted a subject which deals with an existential question in a purely rational way in an other website, I would like to have your opinion as a math teacher if that interests you! it is a hypothesis that our existence cannot have meaning if it is not eternal.

[RGSQ's] Hypothesis :
We could define the value of an existence by the average of the well-being felt during it
But to say that an existence has a value x defined by the average of the good being felt does not include the time that x is felt.
Thus, isolated this value not being subject to time, we can assume that it is felt for eternity.
Now if we submit it to the duration of the existence to which it relates, its value will necessarily be zero since this duration is only an infinitely small fraction in eternity (x / infinity = 0)

it's pretty crazy reasoning but I think it holds up xD It's up to you to tell me!

Me: Okay, the initial Proposition is speaking of “meaning” which you choose to define as Value representing the magnitude of “well being”. Really, there are people out there who are almost constantly Suffering and we can’t deny that they find that very ‘meaningful’, and they could only wish to be able to find a way to negate it. But we can fix that by stipulating ‘emotional intensity’ for your “well being”. But then we would have graphing problems since, well, loving an experience would be positive, but hating an experience would be negative, and they certainly don’t cancel each other out, so we could deal with that by SQUARING the Value, which would bring Negative Experiences up over the Zero Baseline (or in Math what we do is take the SQUARED ROOT of any value in order to turn it into an Absolute whose range is from zero to positive infinity, but since we don’t care about Scaling, we can just Square it.

I next wondered why you would be talking about AVERAGE Value. Heck, in our emotions I think we would really be paying attention to PEAK Values, wouldn’t you? But, yeah, some Peak Values are of such short duration that they may go undiscerned. Yeah, when I used to work for a Living, I found that I could use relatively low power circuits to process very high powered pulses as long as I kept their duration very short, that is, a very low percentage of the Duty Cycle would be at the max amplitude, you know, don’t give it enough Time to burn up my board. Oh, but, now that I think about it, for that application I would have been calculating YOUR Average Power over the entire Duty Cycle. But, if Peak Experiences are of sufficient Duration so that they are Discernable, than I think that would be a important metric.

But there is another way besides AVERAGE where one can look at it. Let Calculus come to the rescue and find the Area of the Intensity, that is the Area Under the Curve.

And then, with your X scale representing TIME, and then projecting it out towards Infinity, which in terms of time would be Eternity, then yeah you can refer to the convention that X divided by Infinity APPROXIMATES Zero. No, it doesn’t EQUAL Zero. Remember that in Math that Infinity is always an Indeterminant Value.

Next we need to look at the way we are referring to Absolutes as though they are real things, you know, whether it is even possible for an Absolute to have MEANING, once it goes past any knowable or experienced Scale. Absolutes are just concepts and conventions. In Life and in Reality there are no Absolutes. There is no Eternity. There is no Infinity. Mathematicians only created these Absolutes so they would have something to label their Graphs with, right? But, yeah, Theorists are all the time confusing Reality with what they can manage to Chart and Graph. People talk of 4th, 5th… Nth Dimensions only because they figured out how to Graph them, and not because they looked upon them in Reality. The whole Idea of Time Travel is derived from the circumstance that the Time Line on a Graph does not erase the Past while disappearing behind the Present Point, and then can be represented as a solid line going into the Future that hasn’t happened yet. It’s the Graphing Delusion, that Representations pretending to their own Reality, but which is just an intellectuals delusion.

Okay, so let’s look at that initial Proposition again: “our existence cannot have meaning if it is not eternal”. Well, let’s rephrase that casually so that it appears most certainly True. We could say “In Reference To All Eternity Our Experience of the Moment Doesn’t Matter”. But isn’t that just imposing artificial Scaling in order to mentally intimidate up. We could also say “The Experience of Our Last 20 Years Is Meaningless for Tomorrow Morning” which is extremely NOT True. We Build Our Lives Over Time and Our Past Is the Springboard Into Our Future. Many of us Get Up and Go To Work because we set up the circumstance by having at sometime in the Past gotten a Job. So, yeah, the Past is the Futures Foundation. We can’t negate the importance of the Past. It is like traveling in a Boat, where looking forwards you can’t know for sure where you’ll be because you might sink first or change course, BUT you can look behind at your boats Wake and see for certain where you’ve been.
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Postby Leo Volont » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:45 am

Oh, I was thinking about what I had written above, particularly when I mentioned using Integration to find the Area Under the Curve. Well, for THAT it doesn't matter that Y approximates Zero at Infinity (Eternity in this case) because our DOMAIN goes all the way back to the Beginning of Time where we have a very long time for collecting Area Under the Meaningful Curve.
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