Cold Inductions - Street

Postby Skull86 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:50 am

/watch?v=59mTTRAcfEw (youtube)

This old, amateur video of Paul Carpenter hypnotizing an unsuspecting pedestrian was very intriguing. The video shows Paul hypnotizing a lady going to Dairy Queen for a few seconds and trying to hypnotizing to her friend. There was also another video of him awkwardly showing a group of college kids of him doing cold inductions on multiple people in a sequence.

There are "hypno sculpture" videos by some other hypnotist with his channel listed here: /user/Mayajid/ (youtube)


I know there has something been posted similar to this about cold inductions under the wording of shock, ambush, or etc; but, the information was more boastful then helpful. And, yes, I know there are legal consequences of trying to do this myself and potential lawsuits. I'm only mildly curious if this could be applied to real life as a robbing scheme because of stories I've read online.

What I'd like to know what are the possibilities of suggestions to someone who has been inducted into hypnosis unsuspectingly. Could I erase their memories, could I make them buy me some food, or even become my best friend? Any relevant opinions are appreciated.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:12 pm

Skull86 wrote:
What I'd like to know what are the possibilities of suggestions to someone who has been inducted into hypnosis unsuspectingly. Could I erase their memories, could I make them buy me some food, or even become my best friend?


What I have seen is people hypnotized unsuspectingly being made to go into a forum and post questions about if they can rob someone using hypnosis. They never realize they are hypnosis victims and are in full denial of such.
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Postby Skull86 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:49 am

ooo witty
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:12 am

Skull86 wrote:ooo witty


Maybe the reason you think it witty is because you believe it not possible.

So you believe it possible to conduct on others, but not on you.
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Postby Skull86 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
Skull86 wrote:ooo witty


Maybe the reason you think it witty is because you believe it not possible.

So you believe it possible to conduct on others, but not on you.


no I never actually deemed it witty at all... I was being sarcastic

If you are going for a professional tone then I'd advise you to fix your blatant grammar mistakes

it witty
it is*

it possible
it is*

it not
it is*
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:56 pm

Whew! Good thing I was not going for the professional tone. How embarrassing would that be?

Of course I think it more embarrassing to believe in hypnotic robbery.
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Postby saladinsmith » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:05 pm

It has been used to commit crimes in the past. Inexperienced hypnotists often think that with hypnotic amnesia they can get away with anything, but women who have been raped while under hypnosis often realize that something is wrong, either by the way it feels, the way they're re-dressed, or recurring dreams about what happened.

There also have been bank robbers using hypnosis. Yes, it can be done, but it's a big risk, you're putting your face and voice on camera, and you're only making off with a few thousand dollars, whereas you could use those same skills to legally make that much money as a hypnotherapist or a stage hypnotist.

But yeah, you can hypnotize people to give you stuff. Sheldrake and Jacquin discussed on their Ripped Apart CD about a sort of hypnotist survival test, where a hypnotist is dropped in a city for a few days with no money and has to hypnotize people to provide for his basic needs.
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Postby Skull86 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:26 pm

saladinsmith wrote:But yeah, you can hypnotize people to give you stuff. Sheldrake and Jacquin discussed on their Ripped Apart CD about a sort of hypnotist survival test, where a hypnotist is dropped in a city for a few days with no money and has to hypnotize people to provide for his basic needs.


Ah yes, I totally forgot about that. Thank you for the detailed reply. It reminded me of another question.

Can anyone accredit this french hypnotist named Marco Paret?

/watch?v=w_SdOv3pa8w&list=PL0A4BB145C8644AC0 (youtube)

It's hypnotizing someone with just the contractions of rapid eye movement. I've read parts detailing the process in the book that teaches "fascination hypnosis" a few years ago. The wording in the book seems totally bogus. For example, the book would go on and on about drawing energy from the universe.

My opinion? Scam. The youtube videos shows more like a "faith healer" - type of hypnosis but with a mesmerizing spin to it.
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Postby saladinsmith » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:08 pm

Well, the "hypnotism and mesmerism combined" tagline bothers me. Hypnotism and mesmerism are pretty much the same thing, just that hypnotism took all the pseudoscience out and left only practical, which then grew to be far more effective than mesmerism had ever been. It's like saying "chemistry and alchemy combined" or "astronomy and astrology combined".

I think what he's doing is a bit like the one-touch knockout. If you've ever seen that, it's a martial arts thing where a fighter with amazing experience and reputation knocks out another fighter with a single touch, or maybe even without touching them. Basically the subject has such belief in the power of the hypnotist that they believe that the hypnotist can have an effect on them without even using words.

I don't think there's anything magical about it, but when something that actually works gets wrapped up in pseudoscience, it stops being taken as credible because of the association.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:26 pm

saladinsmith wrote:It has been used to commit crimes in the past.


Sure it has.

And if I remember correctly the robbers were just allowed to walk free. The prosecutors and the judges were like, "Oh, you were hypnotized to commit the robbery? Well then, off you go."
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Postby saladinsmith » Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:23 pm

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to express there. Was that sincere or sarcasm? If you're doubting that hypnosis has been used to commit crimes, google "hypnosis bank robbery" or "hypnosis rape" or (and this one is more debatable) "Sirhan Sirhan".

Were they punished for it? Quite often in the cases of rape. In the cases of bank robbery, I haven't actually heard of anyone being punished for it, partly because I've almost never heard of anyone being caught. One man nicknamed the "Hypnotist Bandit" was caught, but that guy didn't actually use hypnosis.

As for Sirhan Sirhan, he's currently serving a life sentence, in spite of Derren Brown's demonstration that he could have been hypnotized to commit the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. It certainly hasn't been proven that he was hypnotized, but it hasn't been proven that he wasn't either. And if he was, the actual hypnotist has gotten away with it for almost fifty years now.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:04 pm

I don't doubt there have been some rare cases of hypnosis being used to commit robberies. And certainly there are cases of therapists getting a patient relaxed and then raping them.

Cold induction, nope.

I'm not buying cold induction bank robberies or rapes. Some con-artist, street show hypnotist wants to pilfer some people, okay no problem. Or some hypnotist wants to be filmed performing his amazing cold inductions on tourists so he can promote himself on YouTube, okay.

But the use the force, these aren't the droids you want cold induction is as much a reality as the lochness or Bigfoot. It makes for some really cool parlor tricks and lots of discussion, but not much else. IMO.
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Postby Skull86 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:17 pm

Cold induction, nope.

I'm not buying cold induction bank robberies or rapes. Some con-artist, street show hypnotist wants to pilfer some people, okay no problem. Or some hypnotist wants to be filmed performing his amazing cold inductions on tourists so he can promote himself on YouTube, okay.


I don't see your argument. All of what you said so far is just your opinions with no real life examples or outside sources other than you.

I'm not saying the whole process of cold inductions is like a scientific law or theory, but it is a definite possibility. However, conversational hypnosis is a real thing used from hypnotherapists to sleaze bags trying to pick a girl up in a bar. Cold inductions aren't so far fetched as you might believe.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:44 pm

Real life examples. I lived in Las Vegas for 11 years, home to some of the best hypnotists around. I worked with Steve Wyrick for a year (magic not hypnosis, but you want some sort of sourcing). I have handled hundreds of criminals, personally. I have investigated rapes, personally. I have watched plenty of sleaze bag guys in bars thinking they were using hypnosis or trying out the latest trick they learned from pickup artist video #3.

As for outside sourcing on how the human mind works, read anything by Albert Bandura, Vgotsky, B.F. Skinner, Daniel Kanheman, Philip Zimbarado, Robert Cialidini, Steve Pinker, Gary Klein, Dan Pink, Bob Hoffman, Dan Gilbert or any other person that actually uses peer reviewed work to discuss how the mind works. And I'm an educational psychologist by trade, so I have just a smidgeon of knowledge on epistemology.

There is a huge gray area exploited by pseudo science. One sleaze bag says he used hypnotism, another claims he used NLP, another claims to have just used good ole' fashioned slick talking. So yes, there are people out there that publish rubbish on using well established tricks of body language, conversational techniques, anchoring, etc. and they can label it whatever they like and people gobble it up. They can call it cold induction or whatever sells, but it isn't anything new.

So I agree with you that "cold inductions" aren't so far fetched, because they have been taking place for thousands of years under different names. I don't doubt "cold inductions" occur every Friday night at nightclubs and bars all over the world. Certainly every Thursday night a few thousand college seniors review their YouTube cold induction videos and the next day take to the streets, trying to apply what they learned.

What I don't agree with is the idea cold induction, or whatever it will be called for this decade, can be used to have someone rob a bank or to rape someone, etc. More power to you if you want to believe this is a possibility. I for one will stick with my peer reviewed research.
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Postby jimmyh » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:19 am

What I don't agree with is the idea cold induction, or whatever it will be called for this decade, can be used to have someone rob a bank or to rape someone, etc. More power to you if you want to believe this is a possibility. I for one will stick with my peer reviewed research.


There's peer reviewed research showing that cold induction rapes/bank robberies are impossible? I wonder how they showed that, and what their p values are...
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